Russia and Ukraine reach deal
Posted by Stuart Staniford on January 4, 2006 - 1:41pm
From Reuters:
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia and Ukraine reached a face-saving deal on Wednesday to end a bitter dispute over gas prices which disrupted supplies to Europe and cast doubt on Moscow's reliability as a supplier. [...] Details were sketchy, but Miller said the deal was effective from January 1 and based on a price of $230 per 1,000 cubic meters of gas -- up from the cut-price $50 Ukraine has been paying. But, after mixing in extra supplies from the Central Asian states of Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan, Kiev will pay an average gas import price of $95 per 1,000 cubic meters, both sides said.
*Europe will remember that Russia will play politics with energy and diversify it's supply of energy and sources of natural gas. The lesson will not be lost on Japan and China either.
*The Ukraine is now officially in the Western camp and has established a precedent for a supply network through Russia with other former Soviet satellites Turkmenistan and Kazakstan, creating a new network of states asserting their independence from Russia.
Even the big boys can get hurt playing hardball.
I still think you guys are underestimating the negotiating power of the intermediary (Ukraine). Before globalization, intermediaries extracted enormous tariffs on goods transported through their country. As we move toward more political/economic/military blocs, I suspect that tariffs, especially for energy goods will rise enormously. See this quote from the CBC:
The end of the barter system in my opinion means that Ukraine is officially outside their direct sphere of influence, as opposed to Belarus, which is a dependent state. The gamble is that Ukraine could be left out of the EU ultimately.
The article did go on to agree with you that Russia won this battle, but I guess I disagree with the conventional wisdom here.
The real story is that Yuschenko's regime has been losing popularity all year long since the economy has been going down hill. A lot of this is due to property redistribution by the orange revolutionaries. So when Gazprom set out to end the absurd subsidy to NATO apirant Ukraine the regime seized its chance to raise anti-Russian hysteria. Look at those evil moskal's and what they are doing to us they cried. In fact it is the Yushenko regime that has to do some accounting. It is clear that they were reselling over 10 billion cubic meters of gas which would offset the cost of about 30 billion cubic meters of gas imports (at 2005 prices). Ukrainian consumers were seeing none of this money as reduced gas rates. This sort of racket has been going on since the 1990s and is how gas princess Timoshenko made her billions of dollars.
Yuschenko had 50% support during the third round of the presidential elections in 2004. He has less than 50% support now and this stunt with Russia has only polarized Ukraine even more. In spite of NATO's fondest wishes half of Ukraine doesn't feel the urge to hate Russia and seek what you call more independence, which is newspeak for anti-Russian alignment in foreign policy and military alliance.
I think we will see a lot of energy disputes turn into nationalist causes, see Japan and China. I think Yuschenko will come out of this more popular, because the gas crisis would have affected everyone in the Ukraine, not just those that don't like Russia. People who support Russia may now find it hard to publically support Pro-Russian policies since they can now be cast as the bad guys.
I think is just the contrary.
I guess that if USA have more "democracy" victories as the Orange Revolution you will lost the war. By the way, can someone call the theocracy victory at the Iraq's elections a victory for Democracy?
So the Boys and Girls of the EU/E3 think that Russia doesn't play fair?
That's why this is going to be bad for Russia?
Like most CIA disruptions, it was a nasty business and while it appeared to have worked, in the end it will prove to be an utter disaster. For example, the rich (in oil and coal) Donetz basin in eastern Ukraine is almost entirely Russian in population and any attempt on the part of American business interests to get their hooks into this would immediately result in a demand from the locals for a referendum to separate from the Ukraine and, when that vote passed, to request a permanent union with the Russian Republic. Putin has already agreed to do this and the main motive for the CIA-fomented revolt will be completely nullified.
Since the Ukraine has no money to pay Putin�s greatly inflated gas prices (for the Ukraine only), that state has privately appealed to the United States for financial aid but just as privately been turned down. The solid Russian control over their gas production coupled with the probable defection of the vital Donetz area has made the Ukraine very unattractive to the United States. As we did in Afghanistan and will do in Iraq, we have quietly abandoned them.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4008
Britain is in the grip of a fresh oil crisis, with supplies to hospitals, petrol stations and households all under threat, according to independent wholesalers and retailers. NHS Trusts on interruptible gas contracts have begun frantically shopping around for oil supplies to heat hospitals, while petrol stations in the South-east are said to be begging independent wholesalers for fresh stocks.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/1/4/181615/1102
The West has not a clue. The US/Israel(I told Sharon to lose weight. Did he listen?) will attack Iran. And Moscow will be the ONLY source.
And Russia has paid off it's debts. And B(V)RIC with the Shanghai Coop are not being threatened in any way by Putin.
It's still cold and snowy in Europe, oui?
Anyway, I haven't really noticed anybody changing their positions regarding Russia during this whole gas flap. Those who don't like Russia blame Putin. Others never liked the "orange" and continue to blame Yuschenko. There is a general feeling of disappointment regarding the new regime, so we will see if this new settlement gives them a boost, but I doubt it will have much effect. Most people are skeptical of all politics and don't take a strong stand either way. Practical concerns are dominant: we are just glad the gas won't be turned off (though Ukrainians can handle such hardships far better than most Americans could).
I was pondering the recent Russian-Ukraine Natgas Crisis when a sudden 'Eureka' moment slowly crawled across my beer-addled synaptic structures.
What if Putin was given a covert blessing by the G8 leadership to temporarily yank the Ukrainians into the short-lived crisis?
The short-lived natgas shutoff sure got the attention of the Media and the general public across Europe. Could this be a 'stealthy' way to get people aware of Peakoil and maybe Dieoff? Then the politicians can more widely discuss required Thermo-Gene mitigation changes without fear of being voted out for re-election. Recall that Putin's theme is ENERGY for his next year as the G8 conference chairperson. Could he just be preparing the unwashed masses for some harsh, but true news in the near future? Maybe with all these world leaders gathered in one spot is when they will announce that we are Hubbert Downslope bound!
Increasing Peakoil awareness has historically been a grassroots effort and overcoming public denial our biggest barrier to rapid Peaknik growth because they have seen us as 'nutcases'. Politicians have been historically reluctant to take the Peakoil lead because of worries that the voters still in denial would see them as nutcases too, and not re-elect them. Purposely creating a temporary energy crisis and public alarm will allow the politicians to safely endorse the experts adding public-perceived legitimacy to Peakoil-- it is a subtle way to quickly increase the required public 'critical mass' for positive change to occur. In summary, it bridges the public-to-politician gap.
Does this make sense, or was it just my beer talking?
Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?