Driving Tests for Everyone, Regularly
Posted by Glenn on July 19, 2006 - 2:46pm in The Oil Drum: Local
Written and practical driving tests every 5 years for all licenced automobile drivers regardless of age. Examinations will also be required within one month of any traffic incident* that results in a personal injury.
This idea is loosely based on yesterday's NY Times opinion piece by Andrew Haas, who was hit by an elderly driver while riding his bike and severely injured.
In the year since the accident, I have learned to walk again. The Ironman, however, is well beyond my ability. I cannot run down the block without serious pain, especially in my pelvis. Professionally, I missed almost a year of work, which forced me to restart my orthopedic surgery practice from scratch. I have a long way to go before I regain even a semblance of my former life.But the driver who hit me has scarcely been inconvenienced. He was charged with failure to yield and issued a $128 fine. He is permitted to drive without restrictions and without any assessment of his competence. In all probability, he has had no legally mandated driver training since he received his driver's license more than half a century ago.
And this type of incident happens everyday. Here was his original proposal:
Given their great, and frequently proven, capacity to do harm, drivers should be required to take a continuing driver education course every 10 years.Special emphasis should be placed on elderly drivers. Motor-vehicle injuries are the leading cause of injury-related deaths among 65- to 74-year-olds and are the second leading cause, after falls, among 75- to 84-year-olds. Older drivers have a higher fatality rate per mile driven than any age group except drivers under 25. The American Medical Association estimates that as the population of the United States ages, drivers aged 65 and older will eventually account for 25 percent of all fatal crashes.
What I liked even better than his opinion piece, were the letters to the editor that all concurred with his basic premise.
This was typical:
Anyone who feels confident in his driving ability should be willing to put it to the test.Perhaps organizations like AARP could help by advocating similar requirements.
I would suggest that older drivers, most of whom I expect are reasonable people, could lobby their states and organizations to adopt licensing laws that would make tragedies like Dr. Haas's accident much less likely.
Robert Gelman
Ann Arbor, Mich., July 17, 2006
But this was the one that caught my eye and prompted this post:
I agree that people -- all people -- should be certified every five years. In fact, I would recommend recertification more often -- every two years.But recertification is only part of the problem. The lack of public transportation is of greater importance.
Our society is willing to put billions into improving highways and streets, but it is loath to put money into improved public transportation.
Adequate public transportation would reduce the number of elderly drivers. As it stands now, an automobile is a necessity if one wants to go to the doctor's or the grocery store.
Harry E. Berndt
Webster Groves, Mo., July 17, 2006
We have created a society in which most people outside major urban centers like New York, Chicago, Boston (and yes Alan, New Orleans) do not have adaquate alternative transportation options for obtaining basic needs like food and medicine. This is because our many of our nation's communities are not walkable to grocery stores or pharmacies.
Removing unfit, unsafe and reckless drivers from the road might be the easiest way to dramatically increase demand for mass transit while also encouaging carpooling and more village centered planning and re-zoning.
*Because of rampant misuse in the media of the word "accident" when they report on anything related to injuries or deaths from cars hitting pedestrians, cyclists or other cars, I have decided to conciously start using the more neutral word "incident" which does not let the motorist off casually by labeling it an unavoidable mistake.
While it would be good to have grave penalties for drivers after they've killed, we also need serious penalties for those who engage in dangerous behavior, and who therefore, statistically, will eventually kill someone. In my mind, a minimum of a month's gross salary and a one-month license revocation would be appropriate for a first offense.
Things won't improve until we get serious about this.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/7/18/114410/016
FWIW, the stat given is that the U.S. suffers 72 fatalities per billion kilometers while biking, versus 6 fatalities per billion kilometers in cars.
Given the generally shorter mileage covered each year on a bike, that seems like good odds ... even car vs. bike.
(as always your neighborhood matters more than the national stats.)
I only need to renew my license every 10 yrs! People respond to cash demands, so make em pay up to drive.
The no part first - the people who drive are just humans, with all the flaws we all know too well. In my opinion, Germans are not better drivers, except for the points which follow in the yes section.
Yes, they are better, but for different reasons -
Actually, since I grew up and drive with a more or less American attitude, I generally let my wife drive in a German town or city - here, people on foot or bicycles are actually part of the traffic mix, and they actually act as if the car drivers will act that way. Partially because if the car drivers don't, they will be hunted down as dangerous criminals - which they are, of course. Since there basically is no reason to drive here (who cares if you need to get to work after you killed a child on a bicycle), losing your license is a matter of a few minutes for a police officer at the side of the road, and not a major court proceeding (I have read/been told - no personal experience there).
By the way, riding a motorcycle is not a problem - it is a different set of skills in most ways, along with the lack of blind spots and smaller size.
How many of the so-called "bike accidents" are actually caused by cars? Also, how many happen when people are mountain or sport biking?
It seems to me that the "per billion kilometers" numbers are just WAGs even though some people may believe them to be actually descriptive of reality.
Also, I think there are a number of other questions to ask, as I've already noted.
Safe biking is possible -- I do it all the time. Of course, I drive a pedalable "Hummer." (OrganicEngines SUV)
Safe driving is never, ever possible.
Every time we turn the key to start a fossil fuel burner, we are killing people and other creatures and poisoning the planet.
If that is not the antithesis of safety, than what is?
Also: every time one starts a fossil fuel burning engine, it is the moral and aesthetic equivalent of french kissing Dick Cheney....and then GW....and then Kenny Lay....and then... well, you get the picture!
I'd be interested in other estimates, but it sounds a little different when we say they are from the "American Journal of Public Health" than just "Grist." ;-)
My insight and tactics:
Some school-bus drivers are very bad, but most are good.
16. Be assertive when it comes to your safety. Don't do anything dangerous for others' convenience.
I learnt this the stupid way about a week ago when I tried to jump with my bike over a gardening hose laid across my path, so as not to piss off the gardener standing nearby. I fell very quickly, onto concrete, and hit my knee pretty hard. Nothing broken, fortunately, but I will be unable to fully load my right leg for a few weeks.
Had I just ridden over the damn thing the worst thing that could have happened was hearing a few curses from the gardening dude. On the other hand, I could have stopped the bike, picked it up, stepped over the hose and hopped on the bike again. That would have been both safe and considerate. Next time I'll do it... NOT :-)
I would really hate to be on a bicycle on National Idiots Day.
The big trucks are a lot more courteous, curiously enough. It might just be that passing a bicycle is a lot more dangerous a proposition for them because they have to take up much more road, accelerate and stop more slowly, and have worse visibility. I generally pay them back by getting off the road when I can, and generally try to do so when I can hear them approaching.
Though you take a substantial speed hit, riding a mountain bike, with fat - hybrid type tires, seems to substantially increase your likelyhood to survive. When I ride my skinny tired bike, I have to avoid patches of gravel and going off the road is practically not an option. But with the fat tires on the mountain bike, taking an excursion off road is about as hair raising a proposition as cereal in the morning.
I find it curious that you didn't include:
Maybe the drivers license should be renewed each year not every five.
It relieves the kids of their responsibility (liability, some day) for thier elderly parents' driving. (And the parents for their kids).
With DUI, we are pretty much headed in that direction anyways so as the trend continues you could get your wish! States stiffen DUI penalties all the time as well as other penalties for lesser "movers".
"You'll have to peel my cold, dead hands from the steering wheel."
Quick! Everybody off the sidewalk!
I've bicycled on ice for many miles without a fall, though I do intend to get studded tires for next winter. I bike through forests (on my 1985 Schwinn heavy steel cruiser with over 25,000 miles on it).
Probably I will not live forever, but my guess is that my risks of dying from a heart attack are roughly ten thousand times greater than dying in a bicycle accident.
When I get too old to bicycle, I'm going to get an adult tricycle.
The public transit alternative makes no sense in rural areas. Where it has been tried it has been figured it would be cheaper to give the users their own car and pay a neighbor to drive.
Bicycle motors are especially easy to convert to ethanol because they are so small and simple and have few moving parts, a single carb, etc.
I've been thinking about this for years, working on the theory that what I worry about probably will not happen.
Ever wonder why electric engines last longer than the piston counterpart? It's the moving parts count. An electric engine has two bearings (normally replacable ball bearings) but the piston engine has pistons rubbing on cylinders (ring job) journal-and-sleeve bearings galore (replace the babbit in the sleeves) and so on. And all moving parts need lubrication. Laptop lids are machined so bloody close that they WILL fail just after the warranty.
In the US Navy I worked (and practically lived in) the engineroom of the ship. Lots of those damn moving parts. Navy people are awful careful about lubricating those things, to keep the ship reliable. And I will say this. I will NOT step onto a ship with one engine lest some moving part fails. With a twin engine ship you have the chance to pull up somewhere on the remaining engine. This is from my expierences with those damn moving parts. I had orders to a single-engine ship at one point but decided to stay on the twin-engine ship I already knew becuse of this knowledge of how moving parts fail. I would not want to be stuck in the middle of the Atlantic aboard a broke-dick ship.
A ship on an ocean (or a plane in the air) is not like when a car breaks down. When a car breaks down, it's an inconvience, but a broke-dick ship (or plane) is life or death. The plane case is merely faster in an ocean. But a broke-dick ship can kill you just as good. For those who don't know, watch that flick Titanic. A definite worst-case but it illustrates the life/death bit. Not good.
There is another thingy with design. You want to make your ship (or plane) such that you can steer it somewhat on the remaining engines. That is some redundancy in design. This adds reliabiltity. This way, if an engine fails you can steer but also if the rudder fails you can play with the two engines to steer as you "drive". If both an engine AND the rudder go out you are f@#$ed. But the design lessens the danger of getting f@#$ed.
It would be easy to make a trawler fashing boat with two trolling motors, a GPS gizmo, and a laptop. But if an engine fails and you have no rudder to manually "drive" your boat you will go in circles and waste batteries. Again, not good. A 4-engine boat like that would be better if you go sans rudder to automate its "driving" (presumably to set the autopilot to "drive" as you get schnockered).
Cars mean independence, power, and remind people of when they were young. Never forget that every single American driver has gone through the ritual of teenage Driver's Ed and got a car to drive to high school each day. Even if that's not really true, it's the American ideal. We're a car nation full of car worshipers. And the elderly in particular value their independence, for which the American idol is the car.
I think the proposal in the post makes sense and needs to be put forward. But I do think proponents need to be prepared for incredibly strong, irrational opposition. It would probably be easiest in denser towns and cities, but then what's the point, if we can't control drivers coming from elsewhere with fewer requirements for licenses?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172983,00.html
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Ten_people_injured_as_elderly_driver_hits_crowd_at_Australian_show
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/17/MN249526.DTL
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/07-06/07-09-06/04state-region.htm
This idea's been around for a while,
http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/28/dangerous.drivers/
but never goes anywhere.
Politically, you can hide, for example, an anti-corporate agenda, behind "safety", because people really want to bash those wicked corporations that tell them they have to get up and go to work in the morning, etc. etc., and after all, bashing them seems cost-free. But do you really think you can hide this much transparent social engineering (forcing people into "villages", etc.) behind "safety"? If your system really disqualifies enough drivers to "reduce traffic congestion" noticeably, you've got an entire army of furious citizens. After all, the ones driving at the highly congested rush hours are mostly the young and middle aged working folks, not the retirees.
So if it were that easy, wouldn't it have happened already? But at prices like $500,000,000 per mile for the LA Red Line, and $<countless billions> bonded over five decades for the nonetheless-unbuilt Second Avenue Subway, how could we ever afford all this "mass transit"?
BTW some of the drivers I worry about the most are the hotshots who wait at an intersection, gaze over to the left waiting for an opening in the traffic, and floor the pedal when the opening comes without checking anywhere else. (NYC doesn't have right turn on red but it happens at stop signs too.) If you can take care of this sort of stuff by catching people when they are on their best behavior in a driving test, how come so many relatively young, recently qualified drivers do it when they're in a giant hurry out in real life?
Oh, and I had heard that for budgetary reasons, NYC eliminated on-the-road testing even for new drivers, years ago. Is that true?
First, we tried working with his doctor. The doctor told him to give up driving, he ignored the advice. Houston, his home for all of his adult life doesn't have very good public transportation, but, mostly he did not wish to stop driving.
Finally we took advantage of a program through the State and snitched him off to the Department of Public Safety. They then sent him a notice to come in for an examination or his license would be suspended. They do this without giving a reason, so we were off the hook as tattle-tales.
His license was suspended.
One day I went over and borrowed his car and never brought it back. Kind of chickenshit, but there you are. It worked although he still complains.
Talking around with friends I have discovered that this is a very common problem. No one wants to admit they have become older and should limit any activity. I don't know that any periodic review would pass at this point, or that it would address the changed circumstances that sometimes have a quick onset.
As a physician, I see your predicament regularly. It is very difficult to get elderly patients to give up driving. It's no so much that 80 year old necessarily share the so-called american love affair with the automobile, it's that they realize their independence will suffer greatly. this of course is a function of our worthless public transportation systems. I've often said that an otherwise perfectly normal adult who could run a marathon but cannot drive due to epilepsy is in a sense more handicapped in our society than someone with paraplegia who can drive with hand controls. The problem for the elderly is made even worse bc/ we tend to build nursing home and retirement communities out in the middle of nowhere. There's often a little man made lake and a small garden for walking. Half-baked "activities" occur in the small amount of space the home devotes to "recreation". I've always thought retirement and nursing homes should be in town where elderly people can walk (or go by scooter/ wheelchair) to parks, restaurants, shops, etc. and still be a part of regular society. I suspect it is in large part our fear of aging and death that drives us to warehouse the elderly out of sight. This is a tragedy.
Our hospital has an impaired drivers program run by occupational therapists. If anyone has a brain injury, stroke or even if its just mild cognitive impairment and poor eyesight, they can be referred to this service. They spend hours on a computer simulator before going out on the road with the therapist. Usually even the most stubborn person will realize they cannot drive after the 7th or 8th time they digitally kill themselves on the simulator.
I'm sure you feel a certain sense of guilt by removing the car from your father, but you shouldn't, you absolutely did the right thing. You've made things safer for your father and the rest of us. Many of my patients just have the keys stolen from them by family members. No one yet has tried to hot wire their vehicle.
Plus experience with drunk driving points out that removal of a person's driver's license does not necessarily stop them from driving. Only either jail time or confiscation of the vehicle will do that. Most elderly people who feel they should no longer drive would love to have a way of getting around to shop that did not involve the automobile, but if one is too infirm to drive one certainly has no business on a bicycle! This is one more reason that we need to do a major overhaul on our transportation system to provide easy and efficient mass transit for more of our population. Otherwise those elderly who have had their license revoked will probably just drive without one when they need to go somewhere. Most usually drive in daylight and not at rush hour however.
I know I'd rather have one of them coming at me than a full size van (a poor dear didn't see me and made a left in my direction about a month ago. my brakes worked.)
Older people who can't safely operate a larger vehicle would only be certified to drive smaller and slower vehicles, such as NEVs. Perhaps such should be the case with younger people as well. Take another test for high speed, high horsepower endorsement. GVWR >12,000 pounds rating. Etc.
This statement misses some important points. First, an incompetent cyclist is pretty much a danger to only themself. Vanishingly few people are killed each year by being struck by a bicyclist. Next, many elderly people operate bicycles or tricycles just fine by traveling at a slower speed. A motorist who slows down in the US is likely to get a ticket for impeding traffic, so they keep up with the other motorists even if it's unsafe for them to go that fast. Finally, there are many other alternatives to bicycles that don't involve the danger to others that motor vehicles do.
The only legitimate argument here is that the US has designed most communities to require automobile use. Higher oil prices are going to require that all but the wealthy get over that, and start building and living in pedestrian/bicycle/transit oriented communities again, just like most of the rest of the world does.
I live in Florida, God's waiting room, and the attitude down here towards DL's is definatly 'pry it out of my cold dead hands'. I've already almost killed an older woman who ran a red light right in front of me. We don't even require people to get their car inspected down here! If this works for European countries (actually TESTING people and requiring it to cost REAL money) then it ought to work here, for young and old.
But yes, East Germany is pretty interesting as a case study in some ways. And yes, there are now a lot of East German towns (especially in the north) which resemble American suburbia in many intriguing ways.
A beacon of light of an exception: Eden Prarie of Minnesota with 170 miles of trails--often parallel walking and bike trails so that pedestrians do not interfere with the bikers and vice versa.
I could be wrong about this, but in miles of dedicated bike trails, I think Minnesota leads the nation and has funded plans for further increases.
I live two blocks from a bike trail that connects to over two hundred miles of other bike trails. Either this year or next, I think there will be a bike trail all the way from the Twin Cities to Duluth; almost all of that is finished, and the trails are absolutely first rate pavement--and well maintained.
I suspect the strong Scandanavian and German background of many of our legislators has been a big factor in making Minnesota so bike friendly. Even our Republican governor (whom I do not like) is an avid biker and is always getting photographed or on TV biking with his family to a picnic or something like that. He even likes mass transit.
In Minnesota, even Republicans usually "get it."
In general if someone is not competent to drive an automobile, I am skeptical that they have what it takes to ride a bicycle. Even if they are not physically unable, they're going to have the same mental impairment and slow response time that makes an automobile a liability.
This is often but not always true. Some elderly persons unable to drive could get around on a bike (happens all the time in china). Also, others could perhaps use an adult tricycle. I know a woman locally that has a rare neurologic condition and although she could not use a regular bike, she uses one of these effectively to get around.
Some elderly people just fall down when they are walking and break their hip or leg
Falling is the most common reason given for nursing home admission. As an interesting aside, and to demonstrate how frail our geriatric population has really become, consider this: it has been determined that the elderly don't exclusively fall and then break a hip, surprisingly often, they break a hip and then fall. In other words, so many people are living today with very weak bones that it is increasingly common to have a spontaneous hip fracture that causes the leg to go out and results in a fall. One line of evidence that led to this conslusion is that the elderly often break the hip that they did not fall onto!
I could have walked faster than her, but it was her freedom.
Here in NZ, most of the elderly have got electric 4-wheel 'mobility scooters'. But there have been some high-profile incidences of people being injured by mobility scooters. One recent one resulted in the driver being charged.
I think the biggest problem is that we have lost our connection to our elderly. In the past, the elderly were taken care of by their families and didn't need to be as indepedent as they are now. My mother cared for my grandpa almost until he died by cooking his lunch every day. She still, at the age of 67, does shopping for several elderly neighbours, as well as being on the committee at the local elderly care centre. How many people these days can be bothered with that level of responsibility? If we weren't so self-centred and "me, me, me" these days, then the elderly would not need to be so self-reliant.
It's one of those insidious parts of car culture that crashes are accidents. You can get a good dark laugh out of reading crash reports in most papers, too. Cars mysteriously take control of themselves and steer into trees and such all the time in those reports.
Nothing a motorist does wrong is really their fault, after all, or we might have to accept that motoring is actually dangerous, and there might be safer alternatives.
Car driving is never safe.
Full disclosure: I pedal mostly, but my family does own a Honda Civic hybrid -- not my choice that we do -- but I ride in it and sometimes drive it.
We are all soaking in this toxic soup we call "car culture" and so our efforts must involve a variety of strategies to create a less damaging paradigm for human settlement.
I'm all for frequent testing of drivers for licensure!
I'm all for many other efforts to make positive changes as well! Relocalisation, roads to rails, walking and biking, organic farming, continuously productive urban landscapes -- all are needed.
If testing every 2-5 years weeded out all the bad drivers we wouldn't have so many bad young drivers. And the best way to take bad drivers of cars or bicycles off the road or require testing is when police stop someone for a serious violation.
Some rural counties provide transportation services (requires prior scheduling) for any of the rural residents. Both the old and the young are very heavy users of the service where provided. Farm kids can get to town at night or stay after school and still get a "ride" home without someone coming to get them. The elderly use the service often to get to the grocery store and to medical appointments and for shopping trips. Many of the services utilize volunteer drivers to operate the services. These services are getting more popular with the rural communities.
Licensing them might make sense, but only to prevent theft. Again, not done in 'bicycling' countries like Holland. Most places vehicles are charged by weight and I'm sure the state considers that a money losing proposition or they would have done it already.
I like the humor approach, you know a little sticker that says:
"Is there life after death? Steal this bike and find out."
Of course I also use Kryptonite locks and yards of cables that cannot be cut by anything short of a half an hour with a hacksaw or cable (or bolt) cutters with at least eight-foot handles.
In some areas, rape of bicyclists is becoming a big problem, because women are especially vulnerable to a big guy with a knife who pushes them off the road during the early morning hours or whenever.
Were I a woman I'd get a concealed carry permit and carry a Colt .45 in compact version--and shoot off the whole magazine into the torso of anybody who threatened to rape or hurt me with a weapon.
Against vicious and dangerous dogs I use a squirt gun loaded with something nasty--household ammonia is good, as is bleach (but do not mix those two!) The last time I went down on a bike was when I was nine years old and a German shephard bit my thigh deep enough to draw blood. Scared the hell out of me. Turned out the dog belonged to a doctor and the family was SO nice because they were scared really scared that my parents would sue. But my father was a peacemaker--got reassurance that the dog would be fenced in or firmly leashed in the future and the situation ended happily with my making my first zip gun. It wasn't as good as the later ones, though. This mania for suing is, however, making many people somewhat less careless with dogs than used to be the case.
I'm all for that idea. Protated for the kenetic energy on a log scale, its cheap. Oh, and that means cars/trucks can't cut off bikes without fines (on the log scales) or pass then cut in front w/o fines, right? So long as you also have cars and trucks actually PAY for their road use VS the present system of subsidies...right?
As you are making a 'faireness argument'...lets make it fair eh?
Look everybody, it's Jacob Richler. Or maybe you're this guy?
Since insurance companies are the "cost regulators" of car accidents, I'd say the ball is in their court to consider adding say a $500 premium per year to all drivers who haven't passed a certified safety test within the last 5 years. (Ideally, this premium of course can be used to LOWER the costs for driver who pass such a test.)
Well, the the question is how much extra do you CHARGE drivers in insurance for FAILING to pass a safety test!
And of course I agree with the opinions that you gotta give people alternatives to driving, or many dangerous drivers will drive anyway license or not, as DWI convictions have shown.
http://www.aarp.org/families/driver_safety/driver_program/a2004-06-21-whatisds.html
Given increasing WORLDWIDE demand and the myriad of uses for fossil fuels (agriculture, industrial, synthesis of plastics, etc.) combined with continued pressure from overpopulation this type of proposal is tantamount to spitting on a fire.
The real benefit from a PO perspective is to challenge the auto-centric view of residential development/zoning. Because not all people are well suited to drive an automobile physicially, mentally or emotionally, we cannot and should not assume that automobiles should be the ONLY means of transportation for the vast majority of our landscape.
Another spit on the fire is my Modest Proposal on Drinking and Driving
And if they do complain, we can use the new rules and infringements to quieten them more easily.
The most obvious way to reduce driving, by the way, would be to ration gasoline...
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16935515&BRD=1377&PAG=461&dept_id=172922&r fi=6
Unless you live in California, for example, bikes can be extremely impractical. Take Wisconsin. Consider riding your bike even short distances when the wind chill factor is in the teens (during the DAY) at best. Add to this all of the snow, sleet, and thunderstroms that can also occur. In a year, there may be less than 100 good biking days and I think that is being very optimistic.
I used to ride a bike year-round in Philly, but that was only short distances around campus, and I still froze my ass off much of the time.
Most seriously, I shared a car with my sister for 8 years quite well, with my bike as a primary transportation, and although I expect downgrading to no car is a tough choice for most, I believe more households can and will downgrade to less cars than adults as fuel prices go up.
I do admit I don't "get around" as much without my own car, but even when I had exclusive access to a car, I prided myself on not being daily dependent upon it (i.e. Games like "How many weeks or months can I go without filling the tank?" type games!)
Sina,
Thank you for the common sense.
The weather along with the rapidly aging population and the crime rate assures that bicycles, while an enjoyable toy, and a beautiful device, or EXTREMELY LIMITED as actual working transportation. Do not think that in many cities and neigborhoods you cannot be hit with a brick, closelined with a stick, mugged and horribly attacked on bicycles. Out here in the supposed peaceful South and Midwest, I know of several college girls who were grabbed off bicycles, and their bodies found later, and the founder of Papa John's Pizza and a friend of his, avid bicyclists, were nearly killed when a textbook was thrown and struck them on a country road in Kentucky. It happens more often than you may think.
Try carrying your sick child home from school early on a bicycle, and in a raging thunderstorm to boot. :-(
We had this discussion the other day and someone said take the bus or the local train or tram. What if none is available when you need to go and opps, as we said, the child is still sick!
There are two distinct issues at discussion here:
What they sometimes fail to understand is that there are those who hate the idea of personal powered transportation on an aesthetic and moral basis, and even if every desirable condition could be met, do not accept the idal of personal mechanical transportation of any kind more than a human powered type.
Roger Conner known to you as ThatsItImout
However, one thing you should keep in mind is that there is more than one kind of "bike" out there. Some are enclosed. Some have more than one seat. Some have three wheels, and others have four. There are trailers that can be rain-proof and fairly comfortable for a child. Don't limit your imagination here. And, on top of this, imagine what might get developed if pedal-power became the main form of transportation in these parts...
-best
Oh, and about those who are philosophically opposed to cars in general, I think some of that perspective comes from riding a bike too much, among the current hostile flow of motorized traffic, in its gigantic mechanized indifference. Like some giant dystopian machine, it can chew you up and spit you out, and not notice, much less care that you are dead. When you have to face road rage without that protection of a car, you too would start to get a hatred of all things automotive. Well, that and some people are just holier-than-thou self righteous ***holes, who think that getting on a bike makes them a superior form of humanity.
I've dropped the link to this episode from an earlier Changing Places series, on the National Cycle Network, a web of 10,000 miles of cycle paths across Britain. Again, the interesting tidbit here (if I heard it correctly) was that while Britons cycle for 2% of their journeys, Danes (in far worse weather) cycle for 20% of their journeys.
The bbc radio programe is still available here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/changingplaces_20050204.shtml
highely recommended.
What's next? Airline pilots and surgens that don't bother with tests either?
Driving is a matter of life and death, people get killed all the time driving, there's a car accident every five minutes now.
In many cases, no criminal case ever needs to be brought. The confiscated equipment is auctioned off, and its owner need not be either charged or compensated. Constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure have very limited application to motor vehicles.
The auctioning-off of the cars seized from the elderly can be made into something of a profit center, allowing for lower taxes, and making the program popular with the voters.