More goings-on around the world
Posted by Yankee on February 17, 2006 - 12:33am
TGIF! Let's survey what's happening around the world these days!
- Venezuela's oil minister (also president of Petroleos de Venezuela!) wants OPEC to cut production by 500,000 to 1 million barrels a day.
- China and Iran are about to finalize a multi-billion dollar oil and gas deal:
The report said that an agreement would seal a memorandum of understanding signed in October 2004 under which China's Sinopec would develop Iran's Yadavaran oil field in exchange for buying 10 mln tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas annually for 25 years at a cost of 100 mln usd.
- What do individual countries want: oil that's already been refined in Russia, or their own refineries that can handle the crude they'll buy from Russia?
Ghana is forced to raise fuel prices
Nigerian militants are threatening "total war"
In the U.K., natural gas prices are up
Indonesian growth hit by doubling of fuel prices
The threat is supposedly from the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) and the oil companies must leave the delta by midnight tonight or it will be "total war".
We've heard this kind of thing before but I think these folks are getting serious... NYMEX LSC Future is up $1.32 as of now and rising. Could be an interesting weekend.
Shell oil well on fire in Nigeria
New Nigeria helicopter attack in delta
One of the PeakOil.com mods has a father in Nigeria (petroleum engineer, I think). He says no one is allowed to leave the Shell/BP compound. (He also thinks the end of oil is nigh, and warns that the American way of life is going to change drastically. I think Big Oil knows what's coming. They may not admit it in public, but they know, and they've known for a long time.)
Bodies of fetuses, newborns clog Harare's sewers
Gasoline shortages and 613% inflation are blamed. The sewers are also being clogged by sand. People can't afford detergent any more, and clean their dishes by scrubbing them with sand.
Good thing we don't have one of those. ;-)
First: a poor country can be devastated by a level of corruption that will have a far less noticeable impact on a developed country.
Second: what constitutes corruption? Does the removal of resources at bargain basement rates from a poor country (or use of its labor) by a corparation, constitute corruption? Or is it only the bribes paid by the corporation to officials in that country that count?
Third: I believe that the top levels of our gov't are totally corrupt, but that the corruption has not yet infected everything all the way down the line. So the top of our gov't could be just as corrupt as the top there, but here there are many more layers below that are, if not healthy, at least still functioning.
You might be right about the mafia doing better, but they would also have done a better job with Katrina if only because you can't do business where there are no people.
Seriously, though, I sometimes wonder if those at the top know what's coming...and are looting the country now, while they can.
But the reason I posted the link to that article wasn't that I think that's what will be happening here (at least, anytime soon). The point was demand destruction is occurring. Mostly in the Third World, but it is occurring.
I think this could go one for quite awhile. As long as we can outbid everyone else for the remaining oil, we may be relatively unaffected. As long as the dollar holds up...
The BBC recently deployed its worldwide network of correspondents to produce "Fueling the Future." Go to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2006/energy/default.stm to read, hear and watch the results. A diverse snapshot of energy related developments from Cambodia to Canada. Remind your British friends to pay their telly tax!
Howleyj's link is the main page for this extravaganza, here's a direct one to the listenable radio programs, many are well worth the time (don't dally, sometimes BBC radio archives evaporate after a week):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1349_energy/
Perhaps consider it a relaxed version of what will come to a news station near you sometime sooner than you would like. Rather like an erudite after dinner discussion, midst walnuts, port and cigars, in an english country house dining room in 1938...
"I say, that Hitler looks a rum chap."
"Perhaps, but the Sudettenland seems happy enough with the arrangement."
"Algy says he has his eyes on Russia."
"That may be no bad thing, keep 'em both busy for a while, haw, haw, haw!"
"Dash and blast, the fire's getting low and we seem to have run out of logs. I'll ring for Jeeves."
BTW, one does not need a telly licence to listen to radio in UK any more. UK also abolished the dog licence over 30 years ago.
If you've never listened to it I strongly suggest you do, you may be very pleasantly surprised. What better place to start than these programs about a subject that interests you?
Though they did let me down with their coverage of Hugo Chavez kicking out the missionaries:
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1672
That's the kind of coverage I'd expect from CNN. :-P
This is the index to all the world service programs in the Fuelling the Future series.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e0c.htm#9.%20research%20on%20the%20temperature%20environment%2 0of%20solar%20greenhouse
Temperature increases of +20 to +30 C ( +36 to +54 F ) in midwinter. Intercropping with mushrooms to increase CO2 availability is synergistic, too:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/T4470E/t4470e0d.htm#10.%20integrated%20energy%20self%20served%20animal%20a nd%20plant%20complementary%20ecosystem%20in%20ch
There's a lot we could learn from these folks in China, India and some other developing countries about relatively small scale energy and argiculture.
At new battery for hybrid cars from MIT http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/miot-mpu021606.php I still vote for the lead-acid Firefly battery at this point - http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=13346
This clip claims 1,000 gallons per acre from switch grass http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5183608
How to run your desiel partially on vegetable oil - as he says, "Just bung it in the fuel tank" to about 10-33% http://www.ravenfamily.org/andyg/vegoil.htm
64 MW solar plant in Nevada at 9-13 cents per kWh http://renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story;jsessionid=aQBm7uEQ5P2d?id=43336
Power from solar cells using heat (it would be great if they could combine this with a conventional solar cell). http://renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story;jsessionid=aQBm7uEQ5P2d?id=43498
Power from gravity http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060213/0109733.html
A new way of making hydrogen from solar http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage4553.html
Underwater windmill http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1009_031009_moonpower.html
Spray on solar cells http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0114_050114_solarplastic.html
Another fun old "Free Power" Patent (in German) http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/de680761.pdf
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=9285
Excerpt from the link:
"In 2003, the biologist Jeffrey Dukes calculated that the fossil fuels we burn in one year were made from organic matter "containing 44 x 10 to the 18 grams of carbon, which is more than 400 times the net primary productivity of the planet's current biota."(1) In plain English, this means that every year we use four centuries' worth of plants and animals.
The idea that we can simply replace this fossil legacy - and the extraordinary power densities it gives us - with ambient energy is the stuff of science fiction. There is simply no substitute for cutting back. But substitutes are being sought everywhere. They are being promoted today at the climate talks in Montreal, by states - such as ours - which seek to avoid the hard decisions climate change demands. And at least one of them is worse than the fossil fuel burning it replaces.
The last time I drew attention to the hazards of making diesel fuel from vegetable oils, I received as much abuse as I have ever been sent by the supporters of the Iraq war. The biodiesel missionaries, I discovered, are as vociferous in their denial as the executives of Exxon. I am now prepared to admit that my previous column was wrong. But they're not going to like it. I was wrong because I underestimated the fuel's destructive impact."
Alternatives are not in place nor will they ever be in place to provide non-fossil fuels-based replication of energy services available from oil, natural gas and coal. It is powerdown or nothing, long term.
I don't much want to say this on TOD, so I don't. But since you have, I can only agree with you. I tend to focus on fossil fuels supply issues--which are crucial to the way we live now, in the near-term and also on climate change scenarios. About the best scenario I see is low-emissions use of fossil fuels (eg. coal gasification with carbon sequestration) as we powerdown to an entirely type of living arrangement on this planet. The sooner the better for these types of technologies. Interesting what Monbiot said about these Palm Oil plantations that are destroying terrestrial GHG sinks to make biodiesel fuels and releasing huge amounts of stored carbon into the atmosphere as the forests are burned (including storage in the underlying soil or peat). Wow, I mean, how fucked up is that?
So, nope, there is no free lunch and sometimes I wish people would quit pretending that there is one.
glibly optimistic tech fixes in a row get me hyperventilating.
Agric: Sorry, don't fret, I should have included the next paragraph from the Monbiot link:
"Before I go any further, I should make it clear that turning used chip fat into motor fuel is a good thing. The people slithering around all day in vats of filth are perfoming a service to society. But there is enough waste cooking oil in the UK to meet one 380th of our demand for road transport fuel(2). Beyond that, the trouble begins".
You missed storage batteries. They're nearly as old as gasification (the Planté cell was invented in 1859 so it's got a sesquicentennial coming up) and are improving even faster than gasification tech; the new nanoparticle Li-ion cathodes look like they're going to see some competition from... Planté's invention with carbon-foam electrode backings. These things exist now, going to market in products like power tools.
And then there's ultracapacitors. Right now they're the playthings of the low-rider and boomer-car set, but the prospect of storing megawatt-hours in a volume of a 2-car garage seems to be coming fast.
Wind and gasification are great, but we've got other things that aren't quite as mature but are going to be very important in the next ten years or even less.
Both century old, extremely well proven technologies. Latest advance (last ~25 years) is regenerative braking where braking feeds power back into the line for electric transportation.
My gut feeling (yet to be backed up by any really solid literature review) is that there is enough wind and solar resource out there to support a reasonably comfortable level of energy supply for everyone in the world if we change our ways a little. The biosphere could be sustainably harvested to provide carbon-based materials of manufacture (all the way from bamboo to carbon fibre and synthetic polymers).
Compressed air, batteries or electified rail could provide almost all of our transport needs.
I really think that these things are possible, or close to possible with current technology.
The main problems facing us now as a species are political and organisational (including economic), not technical. If the problems were primarily technical I would be much more optimistic than I am.
Don't we have 5 billion years to play with? LOL (Yes, I am very aware of the numerous fallacies, errors and stupidities in my statement, no need to respond).
But it should worry the 'biblicals' if they still think it was all created 4004 years ago.
It does kinda make one think: WTF we gonna do when nearly all the frozen sunshine (all kinds) is gone?
BTW, what are the hazards (apart from fuel tax evasion consequences) of brewing up diesel from waste oil and fat my local chip shop (you call them fries over there) would otherwise throw away?
Now I guess I'll soon need to take the plunge and exchange my aging but fun (and surprisingly efficient) VW Corrado for something practical and diesel :-((
90% veg oil 10% petrol
the petrol thins it down, the problem is the injectors get furred up, so using "red-ex" occasionally probably helps, if the car seems to be using a lot of veg oil, then flush through with a tank full of diesel.
I get my veg oil from the local curry house, they give it to me for free, i usually get 20-30 litres a week, I sieve this through a cloth (old t-shirts). apparantly used veg oil is thinner and better for the engine.
i buy old cars that are on there last legs for a few hundred pounds and drive them till the mot/tax runs out and then buy another
after that I had a peugot 405 1.8 grdt that didnt run so well, it lost power going up hill, I think it might have had something to do with it being a turbo???
the escort is going ok, but I am definetly going back to a clio next time, only two doors and bit of a girls car but ran lovely on the veg
http://plus.maths.org/latestnews/sep-dec03/fossilfuels/
If that's not enough detail, try Googling burning buried sunshine, and more technical papers may come up.
Absolutely. Since we are screwing with the Carbon Cycle, we are adding ancient sequestered carbon to the current budget. As you of all people know, the 8 Gt versus the 120 Gt figure is misleading since we're interested in how much of that carbon winds up in the atmosphere. So it's pretty important, for example, if we disperse another 1 Gt of terrestrial carbon sequestered over geological time in a short timeframe now due to human activities in the tropics. As David Byrne said in "Life During Wartime",
The oceans take up the carbon very slowly on long time scales because the surface ocean gets saturated and the mixing time with the deeper ocean is long, as you yourself have pointed out. Screwing around with the terrestrial carbon sink is a very serious problem indeed in southeast Asia and the Amazon. Not to mention the terrestrial Arctic.I'm not talking to you, Stuart. I'm just making a general TOD point here.
Current US per capita consumption of petroleum is 1050 gallons per year.
Current US per capita arable land = 1.43 acres.
So therefore, we can either grow food or grow switch grass?
This is of course assuming the very optimistic figures quoted!
Don't know where you got your numbers, but please check them out and find out who is putting bogus info out there.
Better known as Miscanthus Giganticus. I grow this in my backyard as a hearty ornamental. A slow grower until I started fertilizing and watering regularly, and that's in the temperate and fertile Willamette Valley of Oregon. Good luck on converting Great Basin scrubland into rich topsoil and irrigated acreage. A crop is a crop, you don't something for nothing.
When you fly over this country, you get a feeling of how big it is and how much damn grass and timber there is still out there, despite the major depredations of the past 350 years.
Check the numbers for acreage of switchgrass currently in the soil bank.
There is no substitute for homework.
flowing the liquid waste through a submerged electric arc between coal electrodes. The arc decomposes the liquid molecules into atoms and forms a plasma around the tips of the electrodes at about 10,000o F.
So it involves passing a current through some organic slop and, hey presto: Methane (and ethane). The next question is EREOI:
energy produced by the carbon combustion is over twenty times bigger than the electric energy used by the arc.
Obviously the energy inputs to the waste are considered so we can say that 20times is theoretical top.
Its biogas / biomass.
Damn my fingers
"Rather complex new laws of hadronic mechanics then permit the achievement of new clean energies and fuel via a judicious control of flow, pressure and temperature per each liquid considered, plus additives and a variety of peripheral processes. "
Anytime somebody claims new laws of nature as the basis for their invention, you know it is a scam. He is talking about using an electric arc furnace in liquid wastes (which are mostly water) to generate a gaseous fuel. He claims that you generate heat through a esoenergetic reaction. I have a master's degree in engineering, and I am 99.9999% sure that is not a real word. He obviously could't claim that is is an exothermic (the real word) reaction, since it ain't.
Crap in sites like that really piss me off.
At first glance it is 99.9% utter tosh, one only has to read the adjectives to be disposed to that conclusion. On further reading: 99.999%.
HOWEVER, human and animal waste, biomass, fats, oils, dead rats (and other corpses one might wish to dispose of) can be converted into methane by anerobic 'digesters', and thence used for: automotive fuel for appropriate engines, heating, electricity generation.
Now, a PLEA. I'm interested in very small scale anerobic digester technology. I did a brief trawl, it only produced large scale applications, and I don't anticipate having 100+ cows' manure to ferment. If anyone reading this has useful links to small scale (10 to 30 person / animal waste plus some biomass) technologies I would be most grateful.
Viet Nam is a most interesting place. It's near 10 years since I was last there but it was vibrant then, I think it is / will be a more agile version of China. Its people are wonderful.
For small scale poop power, try googling "gobar gas". For starters, there's a diagram and brief description of one working in India here:
http://www.childhaven.ca/gobar.htm
and here
http://www.mothercow.org/oxen/gober-methane-gas.html
He discloses that the gas produced by the process is 55%hydrogen 44%carbon monoxide 5%oxygen 2%carbon dioxide and 1% other. However he claims that the gas contains 'magnecules', molecules that are bound together by a new form of magnetic bonding as attested by the fact that balloons of the stuff are attracted to iron beams. They are created by the arc that is superconducting due the presence of Cooper pairs of electrons despite the fact that conventionally the bonding of Cooper pairs if disrupted above about 80K
Interestingly this paper links Santilli's work with R Mills Blacklight work with "hydrino energy"
Santilli's paper is spattered with just about every quantum mechanical buzz word with little detail which makes it hard to refute. About the only bit I feel confident to call rubbish is his claim that conventional quantum mechanics would predict that all molecules would for ferromagnetic as this is my field.
However, a more down to earth dampener is the mention of using magnegas to generate electricity. They claim that the gas generated has twenty times the energy of the electrical input but that "MagneGas Recyclers ARE NOT selfsufficient for the production of their own electricity in the version current in production and sale for various technical reasons."
Since you would only need 5% conversion of gas energy to electricity to do so and you are inputting a fuel stream in the form of a the waste liquid and getting less than zero net energy out you have wonder about the other claims
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For some reason, I am reminded of the movie Little Big Man. Here's a quote.
Don't ask me why. Sometimes my mind takes a weird turn. So, you on down into that MagneGas Valley, General Custer, if you've got the nerve....General George Armstrong Custer
This one is even better than the new laws of nature. These guys are complete lunatics.
"Gene gives the example of a high fever. The body's normal temperature is 36.6 ºC. The difference of 3.4 ºC present in a high fever of 39 ºC represents enough energy to boil four cups of water from room temperature. "Where did the body draw that energy?" he asks. "From gravitational fields", comes his answer."
And here I thought it came from ATP produced by the body. What a fool I have been, eating food to provide energy for my body.
Cows are being genetically engineered to store their methane emissions in bladders which are emptied at milking time. Animal rights and air control organisations have complained about the lead booties that will be fitted to prevent them floating off if 'milking' is delayed. (jest, BTW)
Altogether, the value-added aspect of domestic refineries in Russia seems fairly compelling, rather than being a third-world oil mine for the first world.
AFAIK the largest part of its sulfur content is removed and disposed in situ (don't know how) without the need of full-scale refinery.
For the NG used to make sour crude light, I think that after you strip H the remains is a coal-like coke. I heard that in US they ship that to China where it is burnt, probably in Russia they burn it themselves.
IMO a lot more enviromentaly friendly solution will be to use electrolysis to obtain the hydrogen. For the purpose you may use dedicated wind farms - a much more effective application for them than connecting to the grid, IMO. Unfortunately will not work for Russia, they have lots of NG and will prefer the easier way.
Also, Dr. Bragi Arnason discovered that it takes 14% less electricity to "free" hydrogen from 100 C water than from 25 C water. Both sources point to hydrogen production near geothermal sources.
CH4 + H2O -> CO + H2
It's just the reverse of the methanation step in coal gasification.
- I keep wondering about these long term deals. Why would Iran want to commit to selling a bunch of NG at a fixed price (?) for a long term (25 years!), and denominated in USD of all things?! Or is this journalistic oversimplification - the deal may actually be in another currency, or have a sliding price component?
Giving the Iran Oil Bourse that is soon to open, it is also very odd that such a contract would be in dollars. Then again, maybe the journalist got it wrong and confused actual dollars trading hands with a price of contract value just being measured in dollars.
Neither should we rule out the possibility that money may not be the only thing with which China is buying the oil from Iran. Weapons systems can also be a form of currency.
Notice how the US is slowly getting squeezed out by the Chinese and others. Its$400 billion (by September 2006) effort in Iraq and Afganistan doesn't seem to be buying the US very much, is it?
China does all the hard work and gets a relatively guaranteed supply at close to current day prices, Iran gets today's 'high' price guaranteed. Then there are the geopolitical benefits. Both countries happy. Perhaps US foolishness might open an opportunity for China to re-absorb Taiwan.
BTW, did anyone read this from Ron Paul?
One song request:
REM: It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine
There are also political considerations. China is likely to take a dim view of any bombing of their "investment."
Here for example the total value of the deal is estimated to 70bln., close to $3bln per year.
"The report said there was some disagreement over intended capacity, with Iran asking China to agree to daily output of 300,000 barrels of oil, while Sinopec preferred to set a target of 180,000 to avoid excess production."
Perhaps China wanted to reduce their capital investment, but it sounds like a difference in approach to reservior management. Iran wants to max output ASAP, China wants supply for a L-O-N-G time.
Iran may be driven by pressing domestic needs (lots of young adults, etc.) and China by fear of Peak Oil.
Jim Hansen, the scientist the Bush administration tried to gag, has some sad words about global warming. His argument is that change is accelerating (is not linear as has been supposed before). He has some interesting satellite data to back up his position. If he's right, us Houstonians might want to move inland. His 25 feet of water would put most of Houston under.
And no, he is not saying this will happen at the end of the century or centuries from now. He says it's coming far faster than that.
"Our understanding of what is going on is very new. Today's forecasts of sea-level rise use climate models of the ice sheets that say they can only disintegrate over a thousand years or more. But we can now see that the models are almost worthless. They treat the ice sheets like a single block of ice that will slowly melt. But what is happening is much more dynamic.
Once the ice starts to melt at the surface, it forms lakes that empty down crevasses to the bottom of the ice. You get rivers of water underneath the ice. And the ice slides towards the ocean.
Our Nasa scientists have measured this in Greenland. And once these ice streams start moving, their influence stretches right to the interior of the ice sheet. Building an ice sheet takes a long time, because it is limited by snowfall. But destroying it can be explosively rapid."
Amen!
If one has to wonder whether 'the US political system is able to react to Peak Oil', the inherent question that formed the title of a lenghty recent TOD thread, one has to look no further than this pathetic little Hansen/Deutsch episode to have the answer: NO it clearly is not!
And it's not just a pathology endemic to the Bush regime, though in that respect they are among the worst in US history. All modern US presidential administrations have been characterized by egotistical, incompetent, bone-headed sycophants holding highly critical positions. As far as I can tell, the only required qualification for such positions is unswerving political loyalty and a finely honed ability to lie. Nothing else matters. Smoke comes out of my ears when think that this 24-year-old little snot has the say over whether a respected scientist like Hansen should be heard on such a critical matter.
Even if a mile-wide asteroid were headed on a collision course with Earth, this adminstration would probably be spinning away how it is not a problem right up to the moment of impact. What possible chance do we have that they will do anything meaningful in the way of preparing for Peak Oil?
The fundamental flaw in any political system is that the people who have the skills to get themselves placed in positions of power rarely have the skills to effectively govern once they are there. I don't know if this can be corrected; it might just be inherent in human nature. If so, it doesn't bode well for our collective prospects.
Well, at least the Hansen story got out to the general public, and I guess we should be grateful for that.
But the Bush administration is uniquely hostile to science. They are politicizing science to an unheard of degree. Scientists are getting seriously ticked off.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=2006+BQ6
According to the list of potentially hazardous asteroids for the next year, this asteroid is 157 standard deviations away from hitting the Earth given current orbit knowledge uncertainty. That makes it the least unlikely such object to hit in the next year, but that's hardly saying much.
That puts the risk of collision at about 1 part in 10^78, which is somewhere around the order of the number of protons in the universe if I recall.
There are other asteroids scheduled to pass a good bit closer than this one even in the next year (one of them in July at about 1 lunar distance vs. 14 for this asteroid). But they appear to have much smaller uncertainties on their orbits.
that the previous models for the future
meltdown of Greenland glaciers are seriously
defficient is actually the most important news
item of the week, if not so far this the
century. The ice in Greenland is not behaving
like a huge block that slowly absorbs solar
radiation and heat from the air, but more like
an avalanche on a mountainside that shifts
spectacularly and unpredictably.
The fact that water is not lapping at the door
today does not mean it won't be a decade or two
from now. Speculation about the theoretical
amounts of oil that can be extracted from
various locations around the world, though
interesting, become meaningless if substantial
sea level rise is going to put much of the oil
extraction infrastructure and most of the oil
refineries on the planet under water by 2020 or
so.
And then of course there is the matter of the
devastating effect substantial a rise in sea
level will have in combination with very much
higher storm intensity.
As we all know (or should by now), everything
we do, from manufacture of steel to putting
out forest fires, adds to the global warming
problem.
I personally don't think the current oil-based
society will last another ten years,
irrespective of when peak oil cuts into the
supply, because environmental meltdown will
become the dominating factor for almost
everything in the future.
But in the meantime, I guess it keeps the
generally dumb public distracted from reality
and still flocking to the shopping malls if
politicians carry on with the farcical plans
for the reconstruction of New Orleans or the
equally idiotic plans for development in other
locations that will be under water in a matter
of a decade or two if we are lucky and even
less if we are not.
I know just the right folks for a job like that!
Yes, but moxt of those folks haven't returned to NO yet. They lived in the flooded neighborhoods.
Protecting New Orleans properly will require less than FEMA is currently wasting.
HOWEVER, San Francisco and Los Angeles are soon due for devastating earthquakes ! We should start Monday morning to evacuate them to a new location, a massive suburb of Phoenix !
And did you read the article? He's predicting a 25 meter rise in sea level. That is 82 feet!
That will not only drown New Orleans, it will take out many other coastal cities. (Houston, Boston, New York...)
I wouldn't evacuate LA or SF. But if they are destroyed by earthquakes tomorrow, I would not be in favor of rebuilding them.
Hansen said "None of the current climate and ice models predict this".
In addition, the Greenland ice sheets in toto do not have enough water to create even close to that much sea level rise.
So you are proposing that the hand wringing of a minor scientist whose greatest claim to fame is a political statement against interference should be decisive factor in the fate of one of the most culturally valuable cities in the world ? As well as being one of the most important economically ?
BTW, before Katrina was tied with NYC for fewest miles driven per capita by residents among US cities; and we use much less other energy than NYC per capita. We are much better prepared for the disaster of Peak Oil than anyone else.
What if his his GUESS is wrong ?
He does not even have a coherent theory, just hand waving at this time.
I can hand wave a dozen disasters that would require the evacuation of the dozen largest US cities.
With a 25 m sea level rise, NYC is gone. MUCH larger than New Orleans.
He may be right, he may not be. But he's a brilliant man, by all accounts, and his paper was published in Science, a well-respected peer-reviewed journal.
In any case, the fact that the "models don't predict" what is actually happening is reason for alarm, and reconsideration. Greenland may not have enough water to raise sea level that much, but the same thing that's happening there seems to be happening everywhere else, too.
I think this is much bigger than New Orleans. The BBC recently ran a program that suggested New Orleans would be the first city lost to global warming...but far from the last.
And it's not just coastal cities. There are mountain cities that depend on glacier melt for drinking water, and the glaciers may be gone in ten years.
Seems like every article on climate change you see today says it's worse, and happening faster, than predicted. Something to keep in mind when picking your peak oil hideout.
Second, even without global warming, New Orleans may be a really bad candidate for rebuilding. It's steadily sliding southward but unlike other coastal cities, it doesn't have miles and miles of continental shelf upon which it can further slide. Instead, due to the deposits from the Mississippi River, New Orleans ended up being built far out on the contintental shelf already. And today, it sits nearly on the lip of that shelf with 4000+ feet of water not far away. And it's still sliding towards that precipice. From an investment standpoint, does it make sense to invest hundreds of billions in a city that is literally going to slide into the deep ocean in a century or two? Couldn't we do better for both the current people of New Orleans and successive generations by building a new port in a better location?
or boating. . .
While crude imports and extraction seem to be lower now than they were a year ago, does the consumption decrease accordingly ? OK crude stocks seem to be increasing, same for gasoline, gasoil and fuel. But it should be noticed that more and more finished products are imported now. And comparatively, fuel imports are huge.
Now these imported products are of course made from crude (I dont think NG conversion is yet made on an industrial scale). How would you reverse-estimate the amount of crude required for these end products (should be around 2 mb/d) ?
My first step was to look at american production and to compare refinery input to product output. 1 barrel of crude give rise to about 0,56 barrels of gasoline, 0,25 b of gasoil, 0,1 of kerosene and 0,04 of residual fuel (heating oil mostly).
But the proportions of the products imported don't match mainly because of the huge fuel imports. Total fuel import/total distillate imports=1.5 wheras total fuel produced/total distillate produced = 0.15 !
So which proportions would you use to back-estimate the barrels of crude really put into the american economy ?
We use almost exactly 9mbpd of gasoline in February. Our yearly oil consumption averaged to daily usage is basically whatever it is now, I think 21.7mbpd.
The EIA provides a breakdown of what a barrel of crude refines to in terms of gasoline, kerosene, heating, etc.
One barrel of gasoline requires two barrels of crude to produce. You probably had a more accurate factor of .56, but who knows.
So if we were importing 1mbpd of gasoline post Katrina, somewhere in the world they would have had to have been producing 2mbpd of crude(roughly) to supply that.
Conversely, those were 2mbpd we either couldn't or didn't have to produce. But then you have to factor in the other refined products and figure out where they went and what they offset. What were the refining mixes of the GOM plants that were damaged?
Then add in all the inventories and buffers everywhere and you're lost. The more you think about it, it gets so complicated, we probably couldn't calculate more than a general guess.
Good question though.
I am no expert on this stuff (background is futures trading systems plus being just yr average ordinary world citizen who likes to know what's going down in the world). I am not yet sold on Peak Oil (the abiotic argument makes a certain amount of sense to me) but I am certainly not against it either. I am against the perpetual growth wastefully consume industrialisation-based economic model we all know live off.
All that doesn't matter: my question/issue to you guys - many of whom really know a lot about the oil markets/industry obviously:
let us assume that peak oil is true; however what if: the fact that it has been almost free up to now (or cheaper than water anyway) might have influenced exploration and extraction methods, n'est-ce pas? For example, the Candadian tar sands deal. Granted it isn't all that efficient I gather to extract but what about this one?
Right now, a huge percentage of the retail cost of oil products is government taxes. Take gasoline: what if govts charged a simple 10c per gallon (or whatever) versus a 10% (or whatever it is) of cost. In other words, each person pays a certain amount of tax based on use, but this amount does not vary based on the price. Now: let us take oil at $150.00 a barrel. How much would gasoline cost if taxes were at 10c a gallon? And at that level, how many deep, remote, different types of oil sources and/or refining methods would become viable?
Furthermore, perhaps solar and wind would start to become more economically viable as well?
In other words, maybe part of the crisis is not simply that we are running out of oil per se, but rather we are running out of cheap and easy oil?
This does not address the longer term structural issues like global economic structure, ecology, warming etc., but I can't help but feel that people approach the whole issue far too simplistically, i.e. either that there is plenty of super-cheap stuff or we are suddenly going to have nothing at all. Is it really that cut and dried?
We've been living for a hundred years off "the low-hanging fruit," so to speak.
Abiotic oil has been pretty well demolished by the scholars at this site, by the way. Where's all the abiotic oil that should have replenished the old Texas fields and Prudhoe Bay by now?
British Gas bills to rise by 22%
"Average energy bills for British Gas customers are set to top £1,000 a year after the company announced it was increasing gas and electricity bills by a record 22% from the beginning of next month."
British Gas blamed the increase on the soaring cost of wholesale gas, which it said was now 63% higher than last year and more than 200% above the levels seen in 2003. It said its residential energy business had lost money in the second half of 2005 because it had not passed on the full extent of wholesale price increases to its customers.
"The energy map is being redrawn with Britain now dependent on gas imports from Europe," the British Gas managing director, Mark Clare, said. He noted the European commission had said this week that the market was "seriously malfunctioning", while events in Russia had shown the degree to which energy markets were now connected.
It's a great short summary although much of it will be familiar to regular readers of this site. They hit an amazing number of the key issues in a very short and readable piece.
My appologies if its already been played on the drum, but maybe some newbies (me) might not have seen it before.
http://lfee.mit.edu/metadot/index.pl?id=3468
MIT Colloquium Koonin-1.pdf
Energy for the coming decades: Trends and Technologies
51 slides
p2. Energy use grows with economic developent
Nice chart from UN and DOE
p8. Income Dependency of Mobility
p13. US energy use road map
p18. GOM Deepwater projects
Note Thunderhorse is 18,000 psi, 275 ºF and corrosive.
(I bet it is at that)
p22. Venezuela Heavy stuff (probably API 9.4)
My old Conoco-Maraven VEHOP Project is last field on the left
p29 CO2 and Sea Temps
p32 CO2 by GDP/per capita
p36 Energy per Capita <USA you're damn near off the chart!>
p40 Two Major axes of Concern <The TEOTWAWKI 4 state payoff matrix>
p45 CO2 reinjection
p47 Low HC Tech Evaluation
Anyone catch this article on SLB's web site?
"ExxonMobil Corp. (XOM) booked more hydrocarbon reserves than it extracted in 2005 - but almost all of the additions come in the form of natural gas from Qatar."
http://realtimenews.slb.com/news/story.cfm?storyid=631459
My gosh!! That means that without gas from Qatar, Exxon would have booked nearly nothing in new reserves in 2005. What happens in the future is Qatar stops letting foriegn firms book reserves, like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and now Venezuela?
More interesting to me is Venezuela's games, I tried to follow Gets It's link about this earlier but it failed for me. To be honest I was surprised they hadn't done this before, after all, it became virtually standard procedure for many OPEC countries a long while back. But times are different now so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I was musing earlier today about how the major oil producers might act when the words 'imminent peak oil' are seriously uttered on the world stage. I have a hunch (no, not a 'hunch' ;) ) that they will almost immediately cap production levels a bit below current. Say, 25 mbpd vs current 28 mbpd, in order to probably maximise and extend revenue. I would, lol. Perhaps that's another reason for the dreaded words being unspoken?
I think we have reached peak oil now.
I'm going to write one of those long posts I do from time to time to attempt to back up that claim.
As George Clooney said recently, Good Night and Good Luck.
Not fair to leave us hanging like this...
Best get used to it, lol.
I was assuming the EIA definition of all oil equivalent liquids (since peak conventional has passed). It's about as broad as one can reasonably get, I've quoted its definition here at least twice before.
My point was: when someone gets a maybe visionary moment it is critical to let them go with it, to interrupt may destroy it. There will be plenty of time afterwards to dissect, define, criticise, amplify.
FSO has an energy roundtable discussion in its second hour this week, not yet listened to it but should be fun for the gloom-mongers 'mongst us since it has Heinberg and Kunstler:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm
TOD gets a very strong recommendation, Stuart gets name dropped, heheh. Very well worth an hour of your listening time.
Could someone try to explain to me (yet again) why everyone insists on using "all liquids"? This seems like a complete corruption of the data. It would seem to me that we are trying to determine when the crude oil has peaked. So include those things made from crude, fine. But anything else makes no sense. The discussion of what we could replace crude with should be a separate one.
There are two reasons I'd give. Firstly a practical one: it's what the EIA reports data as and that's probably as accurate and consistent a measure as we've got. Secondly appropriateness: it does represent the total of all oil equivalent production and that is the most relevent and critical measure that will constrain our usage.
Yes, it will understate the drop in fossil oil production as substitutes such as ethanol and biodiesel grow.
Their t11-table series which is released monthly and therefore suits our purposes more only includes the top 30 producers minus Kazakhstan - and then provides a world total(the other 45 or so countries are lumped under "other," which is a little suspect). The t11 series lists "all liquids".
I'm working on final grades for this quarter, and you just got you A+ for the term. Without clarity of definitions we are spinning our wheels in mud.
From what I have seen on this site there appear to be about three (am not sure of the exact number) overlapping definitions of "Peak Oil." Each Bigwig seems to craft his or her own definition.
Of course, there is no one "right" definition. The trick is to get a single clear, unambiguous, precise and measurable definition that we can work with, then let the others fade into obscurity.
Yes I consider there to be three definitions:
http://www.theoildrum.com/comments/2006/2/16/23333/0354/96#96
I, personally, choose the first. By the definition above.
But I must to bed presently (Shakespearian definition), apologies for not waiting on your reply. Night and sleep well when you do.
Right?
Great minds . . . .
http://trendlines.ca/economic.htm
Unfortunately your bet (which I, most definitely, would not take) will probably have to wait till at least 2010 for payout.
This does feel a 'moment', I have turned off all my lights and lit a candle in its respect, it will be my only light afore bed tonight. (just used my electric kettle, though)
Good luck with your post, it will be easier and truer if you do not equivocate or justify, let the quibbles come later.
Blessedbe
The phrase "within a finite & small future time range" I used above would seem to be a hedge. It is not. I would claim that we're in the undulating plateau now and that monthly production will stay within the range I said and then there will be a definite year-on-year decline from which the world never recovers.
I will only make an argument, an analysis for discussion based on the best data I can find. Give me a few weeks.
He now says he has other places he can sell 1.5 million barrels/day.
Only Chavez is turning out to be a bigger pain than the Middle East. It's especially annoying that he was democractically elected, so we have to be really secretive about our attempts at regime change.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1211-03.htm
Chavez is not good for business. And that, really, is the CIA's purpose: to make the world safe for U.S. business interests.
But then, I can't believe George Bush hasn't been impeached yet, either.
I think some people around here would greatly benefit by adjusting that little dial in their head a few notches away from the LITERAL-MINDED setting and a few notches closer to the FIGURATIVE setting. It would make for more satisfying conversation and eliminate the need for unnecessary clarification.