DrumBeat: October 13, 2006
Posted by threadbot on October 13, 2006 - 9:17am
Oil platform off Angolan waters testifies to Africa's growing importance
"Within a few years, analysts reckon Nigeria (Africa's biggest oil producer) will be playing catch-up with Angola" in deep-water production, Petroleum Economist magazine says in its latest edition.Angola's oil output is projected to surpass 2 million barrels a day next year and increase by 90 percent from 2005 levels by 2010, according to conservative estimates of the International Monetary Fund. It says that would double Angolan government revenues, even allowing for a price drop. Chevron produces just over 500,000 barrels a day and plans to double production in the next five years.
Statoil, Shell shut in 13% of Norway output for 1-2 weeks
OSLO, Oct 13 (Reuters) - The operators of Norway's Snorre A and Draugen oilfields said on Friday they will halt 280,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day output for a week or two to make safety improvements to lifeboats....The shutdowns, ordered by Norway's Petroleum Safety Authority, will equal almost 13 percent of the country's oil production, which amounted to 2.25 million barrels per day in September according to figures released last week.
China's Tarim oil fields may see 50% output increase in 2006
PetroChina Co said gas and oil output from the Tarim Basin fields in northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region may jump 50 pct this year as the company intensifies its search for new supplies, state media reported.
Oil prices curtail demand in developed countries
High prices are for the first time in two decades prompting oil demand in developed countries to decrease, the International Energy Agency says.
Attacks on energy facilities worldwide to hinder the delivery of gas and oil have been rising sharply, the head of Germany's foreign intelligence agency said on Thursday."In the past few years we have registered a significant increase in terrorist attacks on energy infrastructure and we must state that there have been qualitative changes," the head of Germany's Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Ernst Uhrlau, told a conference on energy security organised by the BND.
Costly oil makes Nova Scotia ports more attractive
MATTHEW SIMMONS is friendly enough but his message isn’t always welcomed, especially by the energy sector.But from a Nova Scotia point of view, Simmons’s message is a positive because it has the potential of drawing more attention to Nova Scotia as a gateway for goods from Asia to reach North America.
Colombian Indians protest oil drilling
Hundreds of Bari Indians, most clad in loincloths and carrying bows and arrows, came down from the hills in their first march ever Thursday to demand that the state-owned oil company stop drilling on sacred land abutting their reservation.
US motorists gear up to use greener diesel fuel
The drive to convert American motorists to diesel will take a big step forward during the next few days as a more environmentally friendly version of the fuel goes on sale.The clean-burning ultra-low sulphur diesel emits only 15 parts per million of sulphur, compared with 500 parts for existing diesel.
Study: Climate change inaction will cost trillions
Failing to fight global warming now will cost trillions of dollars by the end of the century even without counting biodiversity loss or unpredictable events like the Gulf Stream shutting down, a study said on Friday.But acting now will avoid some of the massive damage and cost relatively little, said the study commissioned by Friends of the Earth from the Global Development and Environment Institute of Tufts University in the United States.
Megan Quinn: Proposing Plan C
Downloadable audio: Dick Lawrence and Steve Andrews on ASPO USA Boston Conference
Israel: Desert oil find fuels dream but could prove mirage
Germany, France Urge Russia to Ratify Energy Charter
France and Germany urged Russia to ratify an international energy charter that would provide the European Union with greater security for its energy supplies.
Home wind turbines turn fashionable in Britain
Economic Growth Will Drive Biofuel Industry
“Economic growth is driving these developments,” notes Patricia Woertz, CEO of Archer Daniels Midland, a leading supplier of ethanol. “Global real GDP growth is expected to average 3.8% annually through 2030. But it is economic growth in Asia projected to average 5.5% per year that is shaping world scenarios - in particular China, with a 6% GDP followed by India at 5.4%.”
Grain stockpiles at lowest for 25 years
The world’s stockpiles of wheat are at their lowest level in more than a quarter century, according to the US Department of Agriculture, which on Thursday slashed its forecasts for global wheat and corn production.
Byron W. King: Hubbert's Defense Department
WHAT WILL THE WORLD LOOK LIKE on the backside of Hubbert's Peak? What you see depends upon where you stand. If you happen to stand in the Pentagon, the headquarters of the U.S. Department of Defense, the view is rather sobering. Well, what I mean to say is that if the view is not rather sobering, then whoever is doing the looking had better get their eyes checked.
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Canada Troops Battle 10-ft Afghan Marijuana Plants
..."We tried burning them with white phosphorous -- it didn't work. We tried burning them with diesel -- it didn't work. The plants are so full of water right now ... that we simply couldn't burn them," he said.
Even successful incineration had its drawbacks.
"A couple of brown plants on the edges of some of those (forests) did catch on fire. But a section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action," Hillier said dryly.
One soldier told him later: "Sir, three years ago before I joined the army, I never thought I'd say 'That damn marijuana'."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/wl_canada_nm/canada_canada_marijuana_col;_ylt=Ajq8M_5I7cingqJnjg tuceJvaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-
The maryjane is just good to hide in.
Cover - protects you against bullets
Concealment - hides you
Cover & Concealment - does both.
That's a good read. There are lots of things in there to pay special attention to, especially for those who think cellulosic ethanol is just a matter of time. Maybe, maybe not. But one thing it is not is a sure thing:
My next essay is going to delve into this issue a bit, and contrast it with biomass gasification - a much better process, in my opinion. I will also point out that lately a number of ethanol advocates have taken to calling their biomass gasification processes "cellulosic ethanol", for reasons that are not completely clear to me.
I'd be very interested in your opinion on this story about two UNL professors studying the use of sweet sorghum as the raw material for future ethanol production.
What I like about this is that it is originating academically, not corporate or venture capitalistically.
There are quite a few things with better yields than corn, but most have some other handling or capital issues. Don't know much about sorghum, but I don know that is the case with wheat.
(400 PSI containers is a tad engineering overkill when all yas need is a metal container.)
... A senior US official insisted the exercise is not aimed specifically at Iran...
The exercise, set for October 31, is the 25th to be organised under the US-led 66-member Proliferation Security Initiative and the first to be based in the Gulf near Bahrain, across from Iran, the officials said...
"It's an effort to bring a lot of Gulf states together to demonstrate resolve and readiness to act against proliferation," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The Proliferation Security Initiative, established in 2003 under President George W. Bush, is a voluntary association of countries that agree to share intelligence information and work against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, including through military exercises that practise interdiction techniques and coordination...
http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Bahrain/10074440.html
http://timesonline.typepad.com/mick_smith/2006/10/at_last_a_comma.html
And here is what the British Army thinks:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2402666,00.html
Worth a read (unless your name is Blair or Bush)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410163&in_page_id=17 70&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5
This puppy will run :)
And all was quiet again.
Was this a warning to the next UK Prime-Minister?
Bad week for BushCo though, 600K + Iraqi dead (maybe)and the CGS of his major partner in the 'coalition of the willing' wanting to get out.
I assume Faux will cover this fairly and in depth?
How about a particularly bad few years for 600K+ Iraqis?
Apparently the death toll is only half the story. About 40 thousand Iraqis are heading out per month. The kind of Iraqis you need: Engineers, Doctors,Teachers, and yes... Dare I say Lawyers. - The kind of people it takes to build a shattered nation.
BTW: From today's papers, looks like the CGS of UKMil is safe: Nobody dare sack him, least of all B'Liar.
(Will you do us a big favour? When this fart of a man finally fucks off, can you put him on the rubber chicken lecture circuit in the US? Lectures entitled: ''I did it my way, if George said it was ok'' should go down well), -and he can pick up his pretty medal from congress as well
British Generals and Admirals have had issues with knaves, rats and politicos before but what happend on Friday is unprecedented. A lot of politicos, past and present have objected to the CGS's input. I wonder why?
Home before Christmas? Maybe Christmas 2007. Hope so. This whole Iraqi thing is without doubt the most disgusting atrocity on a nation ever committed by the US and UK in 200 years. And all done in our name by scum not fit to run a whelk stall let alone nations of quality of thought and deed.
The term Pandora's Box springs to mind, but I suppose the semi-literate NeoNaziCons would not have a clue. And anyway, Pandora isnt in the Bible so it cant be true.
About the time we thought Rabbit Skin Loin Cloths were fashionable, the peoples of Mesopotamia were baking the brilliant blue tiles of the Ishtar Gate, building in stone, evolving writing, mathematics and astronomy.
But hey! an Abrahms tank shell trumps all right?
End of Rant.
The Dow set another record today...and crude is under $60. And he's tough on terrorism you know...that is all I need to be happy in this world.
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?storyid=1093129081
Nice to see that it hit the theme I've shared, of happiness and not GDP, or ever-higher energy consumption.
These community solutions people I think have the right ideas. They need to team up with the people working on the physical design of settlements and infrastructure. If everyone with a lawn grows vegetables, where would they sell them? This relates to the thread a few days ago about establishing public squares and markets and a walkable downtown.
I am moving about a mile from here, and will have some ability to garden in pots, and I think do some "guerilla gardening" nearby - if only not easily identifiable stuff like sweet pototoes, okra, nettles, etc.
You can also stew it with tomatoes and onions, or make gumbo. All are wonderful. Also, since okra is viable up to 105F, everyone should get comfortable with it now. If the temperatures keep rising, it'll be a feature in many gardens in the years to come.
Harvest them every couple of days. When the pods get too big
(say more than 2.5 inches long) they get "woody". Quite productive
Good Eating,
Alan
I particularly like the Hummer ads like the one where the timid lady is at the playground and a rude kid cuts in front of hers at the slide and she say to the rude kids mother 'johnny was next' and the even ruder rude kids mother says 'not any more'. At that moment the timid mother sees a Hummer addvertisement on the side of a bus and the scene cuts to a dealer's showroom with the salesman handing over to the timid lady the keys to a Hummer. Next you see her behind the wheel of that monster with a big, slightly wicked smile on her face (probably looking for the rude kids mother to roll over).
but naturally a 'real-real simple' would not inspire advertisers.
There was a Simple Living I think, or something like that - all these mags are glossies, full of adverts for crap.
If you want to get the real essence of non-consumerist living, you have to hang with the last of the Depression kids at the local VFW or Senior Center.
darn that cheap energy!
Ants do the exact same thing. Drop a 5lb bag of sugar near an ant colony and before long, the colony has grown and expanded due to the good life brought on by this cheap energy source. After the suger is gone they start eating each other or attacking other ant colonies to take their stash.
It's just the way the world works.
if i must be reasonable, i'd say that we can't just speak in grand arcs and generalizations. when is energy "cheap" and when does that "end?" the devil is in the details.
to say it must end someday, and that the people alive then will be unprepared, is a bit of a reach. an optimist could answer otherwise, with as little grounding in fundimentals.
down, but not out.
I think it would be more correct to say "that is the cornucopian oversimplification of the arc of doomer thought."
In other words, please don't try to use a single brush stroke to characterize all of us who either don't believe our society/economy/lives will continue on the same path as we are currently on.
in the meantime, tod seems to draw another sort ...
Do you share that, or do you think I might be speaking to a more extreme player in his case?
Personally, I think there's a pretty good chance that we'll see a retraction starting in the next few months. Will this be THE crash? I doubt it since I don't believe in a single crash. By best guess at this point would be a series of recessions/depressions played out over decades, each one ending with a "recovery" to a lower economic standard of living.
But, that's not really my point. There are all sorts of different ideas about our future that get called "doomer" here. Some appear to me to be pure nonsense, others seem insightful. They may appear differently to ithers. Still, to paint them all as the same in some sense, especially in reference to the thought processes behind them, does a disservice to our efforts to have meaningful discussions here.
So, if you want to make fun of some conspiracy theory post that claims a coming inevitable global financial collapse - that's fine. But please don't lump me in with that, because I'm coming from a different place.
Just as you reacted negatively to my suggestion that you were a cornucopian (something I was counting on when I wrote it), others will react to your labelling them in the same way. So please be aware that, even among those who wear the label proudly (of which I am not one), there are many flavors of doomerism (there's that word again).
So when you're done thinking that you have the correct answer and wish to actually discuss what makes some of us think that a collapse is coming (and what that collapse might look like), I'll be here, and so will some others. You might find we can actually have a pretty good discussion.
Here's an idea. Ask a couple doomers exactly what is collapsing - and make them be specific. I've said this before here, what I believe we are seeing is the collapse of western civilization. If you'd like, I can go into more detail.
He says our society will crash, and goes on to explaint that it's the junk mail and etc:
I think you hung your response to me off the wrong thread, buddy.
I think my response was appropriate to the "doomer arc" in the above.
But I will admit, that you can be a rather frustrating fellow. You can appear to be quite bright in one post and almost intentionally dense in the next.
I was specifically asking you to be a litte more open minded about the wide variety of collapse theories. Certainly I agree with you that a collapse theory based on junk mail is not worth much. But you keep wanting to take the step of condemning all collapse theories because some are "out there."
The cornerstone question IMO is "where is your oil depletion rate?"
If this is a "peak oil" thing, and not a general philosophy (or a value-group gathered around a philosophy), you'll be able to tell me when the shorfall hits, and why the remaining energy sources are not sufficient to support a technological society.
He has, but I don't think he really understood the answers. Either he wasn't really trying, or it's so outside his frame of reference he just couldn't wrap his brain around it.
I guess that all comes out in the was as ... is it just me?
Or have the relatively few "doomers" in our society really found the threat and worry that the rest of us cannot see?
If don't you believe me. Look it up on Amazon. After reading the book within 36 hours of hearing of it, the reviews on Amazon were the only fix I could get. This book is not for kids and it is definitely not a Christmas present for anybody but your closest friends and family.
FWIW, I'll quote the earlier reference, from the Happiness and Public Policy blog:
We are all near-monkeys, with only imperfect machinery for rational thought. None of us gets off the hook here.
And I always get off the hook.
Oh, wait. Those hooks that Hitler hung those guys on that tried to assassinate him. How big were they? This raises interesting questions.
What do Hugo Chavez' torture prisons look like? Does the ICRC get access to them, too?
Saw III comes out on Halloween.
Doomers, IME, are not necessarily less happy or more anxious than others. If anything, it's "cornucopians" and "moderates" who are unhappy and anxious. On some level, they are worried, or they wouldn't come here. There's a certain peace that comes with accepting the worst. And if it doesn't come to pass, it's a happy surprise.
But the "hook" above is not really the happiness itself, but where it fits in broader ideas of human rationality. IIRC, some of us here have read Antonion Damasio's "Descare's Error" and recommended it here. The "happiness" book is in that line (and carries a jacket recommendation from Damasio). It is another well-recommended book about how our brains
And I quoted it in response to the bit where you of me "he couldn't wrap his brain around it."
That's right, and that's why I quoted the bits about "Our life is the creation of our mind" and " most people's minds have a bias toward seeing threats and engaging in useless worry."
Why couldn't I "wrap my brain" ... that's the big question.
I think my core position of uncertainty and moderation is based on a self-knowledge of my imperfect ability to foretell the future by "rational" means.
We suffer from an asymmetrical discussion in that sense. People more convinced than me are asking me (a) to believe in their conviction, and (b) to believe in their conclusion. All this of course while equally convinced people suggest quite different conclusions.
FWIW, I'm not asking you to believe anything. I'm interested in what other people believe, but I don't really care about changing it. Any more than I'd try to change someone's religion. (I always hated missionaries.)
Explain "collapse" to the general population, and X percent will come back believing it. To make a risky monkey prediction, I'd say that for large values of X that tells us something about society ... but for small values of X, it might tell us more about the distribution of human psychology and outlook.
I close, as I really should more often, with the excellent and ancient USENET acronym: YMMV.
... further evidence of imperfection ;-)
Not for all, the "chief doomer" Jay Hanson himself takes it pretty seriously. I was NOT DOOMER ENOUGH for him!
While the line you quote is not totally out of line with the understanding of mind that has come out of Buddhist philosophy, you must be very careful not to think that it is some sort of solipsism. Now I do not know the book to which you are referring, but the lines about making it better suggest a very dark twist or a deep misunderstanding of the idea behind Buddhism.
To be specific, the Buddha starts with four basic tenants (often referred to at the four noble truths).
First, all life is Dukkha. Unfortunately this is often translated as suffering. But that is not a good translation.
Second, the origin of Dukkha is desire. Dukkha is sometime alternatively translated as longing or desire. Clearly not a good translation as it would make this statement a tautology. However if you put these two definintions together, you are beginning to get there. The Buddha is referring here to the tendency of the mind to be always moving toward, thinking about things other than what are in the moment. This creates yet further thoughts about what is not in the moment and what we are thinking and on and on. So in a sense, Dukkha can also be translated as dissatisfaction. But what is important to know is that this is what mind does. (We could go into why the Buddha starts here, but that is another discussion)
Third, it is possible for Dukkha to be ended.
Fourth, the way to end Dukkha is to follow the example of the Buddha. I've shortened this last "truth" as it is usally stated as a description of the Buddha's path - an eightfold description not necessary here. In short, though, the Buddha's path is really a matter of taming or disciplining the mind so as to keep it in the moment. Clearly, this is a vision of hope, not the nihilsm often attributed by westerners with only a superficial understanding of Buddhism.
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs4-junk.htm
I know people who have goodluck by getting off the DMA's list.
Garth
I don't think Dr. Campbell will object if you borrow from this 1999 lecture http://www.geologie.tu-clausthal.de/Campbell/lecture.html
I agree with Robert Rapier's suggestion to focus on the facts and less on the point scoring, but mixed in it all Hothgor does seem to have made a large number of substantive posts.
If your issue was really wasting time, there are other posters who would be much better targets.
Do you really just want to hear a bunch of people agreeing and praising each other for how smart they are?
You can see my slides here, and you can download the Powerpoint version here.
The main theme I decided on was, "Peak Oil is a liquid transportation fuel problem", with one submessage, "Peak Oil is a flow rate problem" and one conclusion, "There is no technical solution." I presented it to a fairly sophisticated audience (the local Club of Rome chapter), but by stripping out a bit of the detail and being careful with the verbal embellishment I'm hoping to make it suitable for a more general audience as well. Feel free to use any of it you want.
http://www.safehaven.com/article-6082.htm
Where is the names of these new sources, what countries are they located in, and what is their the daily output.
I don't have sources - that is why I ended my sentence with a question mark ???
Hoping maybe someone else might know where all this oil is coming from to overflow our SPR and still have enough left for the Chinese to add millions per week to their SPR as well. All this oil is also causing the price to depress per the original post.
I think you really mean oil inventories are "overflowing." While the inventories are indeed high, this is not a function of current oversupply in the world. In fact, the inventories are in the average range in terms of days going forward of oil, and would be in the high average range in absolute terms if the SPR was being refilled. Moreover, if you look at the chart over the last 10-11 mos, you find inventory levels simply parallel the average seasonal patterns since going very high last Dec/Jan due to the warmest winter on record which produced a dramatic inventory build. Since that time, supply has been normal, without further significant inventory growth relative to the average, meaning we are not awash in excess oil supply any more than in previous years.
Ultimately, to keep pace, the oil industry would have to deliver another KSA.
Now, where would you find one of those on this heavily explored planet?
Beware of CERA. Who says they are paid to tell the truth?
Dropping to 58 US is nothing of material significance.
You can expect a wide fluctuation in price. Traders are not rational. They base the futures market on perceptions, hopes and fears. A little good news creates irrational exuberance, a little bad plunges them into the slough of despond.
I personally think we are at or near peak, but it is still early days and we will all know soon enough.
Relax, enjoy the slightly cheaper gas while you can, but dont assume for one minute it will not go back up and act accordingly. It changes nothing for me. With a bit of luck, the price will hover on this 50-70 USD range for 3-4 years, then hopefully, I will be in a better position for the next phase of 100-150 USD / bbl. The phase after that may well be diabolically horrific.
IOW: make use of your time to get ready for the real spike.
We have a program on the Telly called 'Spooks'. Its about MI5. You probably wont see it in the US as it is deeply unflattering of America. On Monday nights 'spooks' we, (courtesy of Aunty Beeb) had our 'Three Days of the Condor' moment:
Head of MI5: 'So what do we do when Oil is 500 dollars a barrel and the people are burning cars in the streets in protest?'
I think we will have a clear idea of where we are by the start of the next Olympic Games.
Note the question mark!!!!
Now if you remember, the WSJ and the rest of the media during the run-up in oil prices vigorously denied any correlation between gas prices and a decline in economic activity. Yet, as soon as prices go down, suddenly this will be a lift.
This mis-reasoning was led by no other greater figure than cheer-leader in chief, Alan "The Bubble" Greenspan. Mr. Greenspan made a new bunch of ridiculous remarks yesterday, basically contradicting much of what he said as Chairman. As an aside, in political theory, Mr. Greenspan is the definition of unaccountable power, and if you have unaccountable power, you don't have self-government.
Mr. Greenspan has now been out talking how his last bubble, American real estate, was A)not his fault B)will cause no damage. Mr. Greenspan said yesterday about housing, "the worst may well be over." Yet on the very same day the Los Angeles Times reports:
"Southland home prices in September rose at the slowest pace in nearly a decade and sales continued to fall sharply, according to figures released today," and "The median price paid in September for a home in San Diego County, one of California's most closely watched housing markets, fell 4.4% from a year earlier, the local median's biggest year-over-year drop in 13 years, DataQuick Information Systems said Wednesday."
Finally, Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley says, there are, "visible manifestations of excess liquidity everywhere" and "Central banks have created a monster -- not just liquidity-driven excesses in financial markets, but also major cross-border imbalances in the global economy and mounting political tensions associated with those imbalances."
So, while the ignorance of the American people is numbing, the blame goes right to the corrupted decadent top.
Have a nice day.
I don't disagree. However I am the product of the same school system. I only left six years ago and my sister is now one year away from being done also. I know what's there. It's not an excuse. I took the same classes as everyone else, but I didnt just sit there and swallow the kool aid. I asked lots of questions. When there were BS answers I responded with some researched material to get my point across. The point is that some things taught are illogical and make no sense.
Warning: I'm might piss you off - The schools are crap b/c of parents IMHO. Go to a PTA (or whatever you call in your area) meeting and take a look. These are the meetings where parents show up to give a damn about what's going on at the place they send there kids to for 6-8 hrs a day. How empty are these meetings? The ones in my schools were half filled at best. Parents are too busy to be interested in these meetings. My parents never went to any after I left middle school.
The only meeting they attended was the one before I graduated. Go figure. My parents are not indicitive of all since my parents didnt worry b/c my grades spoke for me. But in all, parents are not involved as parents in their kids lives. It's either authoritive or best friends, the middle ground seems lost. Glad it's Friday.
Last week or so Leanan (I think) pointed out that North Koreans don't have electricity most of the day, but everyone has a TV and they receive power during the nightly TV hours. They must receive their daily communist propaganda, after all. In the US, we do the same thing, but it's our daily dose of capitalist advertising propaganda. We have the power on all the time so you can energize all of your "good consumer" gadgets.
I have not watched TV per se' in over 5 years. Though while I was in the Hospital over New Years I did watch TV and was sickened by it by the 3rd day and spent the rest of my time reading or asleep.
I have in trecent days watched 3 hour or more long Video's Off of the Web. Heinberg's Oil show of a few days ago. Another 911 show and one on the Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza strip. All of them were not something I would have seen on American TV not even on Cable.
I used to listen to NPR on the radio, but I got tired of it. I would read online and then listen to NPR and get a slant so appearant that I would almost gasp at hearing it happen. I have almost given up on getting a real story from any US news outlet.
The Show on the Israel's Occupation yesterday did put side by side US news to BBC news, and the stark difference was very blaring. No wonder some people think the USA will slide happily off the cliff and the rest of the World will be clapping at the show.
Gingrich had a commentary celebrating WalMart the other day, saying how great it was that we could help raise chinese families out of poverty.. And I've been tossing letters to the news hour suggesting that their continued use of David Brooks as a commentator has undermined their veracity as a news source.. DB was saying, some 6mos ago that perhaps Iraq was going so badly because 'these people' really weren't 'ready for Democracy'.. Oh, Lord!
One of the greatest problems in the last several decades is we've quit teaching the importance of being a citizen. So now, when across the top we have a braindead and corrupted elite, we aren't prepared to challenge and throw the lot of them out. The open correcting process, which is the greatest strength of self-government, isn't functioning because the citizenry isn't playing their role.
This gets back to your first comment, "They dont want to know," because they've been taught to know certain things and if you know those certain things, work hard, you'll get ahead. Today, those things to know are failing or being overwhelmed. What I find below everything is a tremendous anger, part of it from feeling dis-empowered as opposed to apatheticand for people with a diminished or no political indenity that's a very dangerous societal condition.
I went to a good elementary school when I was a kid (graduated HS in '87), but it is truly night and day when you compare the level of parental involvement. Maybe we are just lucky, and my kids' elementary school is an aberration...
Aw sorry, I forgot: 'We paid for this and we want THE BEST THAT MONEY CAN BRIBE!''
Even if my rich kid is actually, technically, thick....
I asked lots of questions too. Got me thrown out of high school. I suspect most jurisdictions today a student would be thrown out much quicker easier than I was. Possible terrorist after all.
Perfect SAT score got me into university no problem. Not a few professors there were unwilling to accept questions
Do we really want them to tell us what to do, who have no reason to care one way or the other?
I live in Denmark. People here are completely unaware that output from our part of the North Sea has in fact peaked recently and that output is about to drop at the same rates as Norway and the UK.
At least its not as bad as in the UK. Where people apparently isn't even aware that their country has become an importer of oil.
For the first seven months of 2006, Norway's average production has been 2.538 million barrels per day. This report says that September production averaged 2.25 mb/d. That is .288 mb/d below their average for the first seven months of the year. And that is before the .28 mb/d cut for two weeks this month.
Looks like Norway, and the rest of the North Sea is in a steeper decline than most of us had guessed.
On a different subject, this month's IEA Oil Market Report has world oil production down 180 kb/d to 85.4 mb/d. However last months report had world
production down 400 kb/d to 85.8 mb/d. This means that last months data was revised downward to 85.58 mb/d or a drop of 520 kb/d from the July figures. Or another way of looking at it, the IEA's revised estimate for July is 86.2 mb/d. Now they are estimating September production to be 85.4 mb/d, a drop of 800 kb/d in just two months.
Ron Patterson
But peak oil is all about peak crude oil, not ethanl, biodiesel, bottled gas or Orimulsion.
Ron Patterson
Yeah, you know what if we take all the crude today and mix it in 30% water we will be over 100 mbd in all liquids in no time.
You seem to know a lot about this (are you an insider?)
Just curious.
Thanks.
Probably being fed now by the weather report from Buffalo. You wouldn't think the fact that winter is coming would be news, but traders are funny that way.
I closely monitor NPD data on oil production and NPD figures gives an average of 2 353 kb/d for the first 8 months of 2006 versus 2 578 kb/d for the same period of 2005. This is regular oil.
Also look at this post on http://energikrise.blogspot.com/ with diagrams (based on monthly NPD data) illustrating the decline in oil production from NCS.
Rgds
NGM2
At any rate I was just using the EIA figures for Norway found here.
Jan 06 2,657
Feb 06 2,620
Mar 06 2,610
Apr 06 2,407
May 06 2,535
Jun 06 2,365
Jul 06 2,571
Avg 06 2,538
That is the average for the first 7 months. The EIA has not published the August Data yet.
Ron Patterson
What EIA does is that they total regular oil and condensate.
EIAs total numbers are identical to NPDs.
(I have checked and is prepared to give you more details if wanted)
Rgds
NGM2
Below follows a more detailed breakdown
NPD monthly figures (in thousand bbls a day) as published on their website
Regular Oil Condensate
Jan 06........ 2 492.........164
Feb 06.........2 441.........184
Mar 06........2 437.........171
Apr 06.........2 224.........185
May 06.......2 357.........177
Jun 06.........2 244.........123
Jul 06..........2 380.........190
Aug 06.........2 251..........179
The totals are identical to EIA numbers (there could be minor differences due to data revisions and/or rounding differences).
Average for 8 first months of 2006 2 353' bbls/d regular oil and 172' bbls/d condensate.
Preliminary figures for Sep 06: 2 253' bbls/d regular oil.
Hope this helps clarify.
Have a nice weekend.
NGM2
Norway peaked and starting to decline? Or just a very bad year for Norwegan oil production?
Crude oil production in 2006 could be down 9 -10 % relative to 2005 (by august actuall 8 %).
My predicton is that Norwegian crude oil production for all 2006 will come in at 2,35 Mb/d as 2,55 Mb/d in 2005.
In addition there will be 180 - 200 kb/d condensates.
I am wondering why the EIA does not treat Mexican numbers in the same way. Perhaps it is because Mexico has already added the condensate numbers to what they publish. But the numbers the EIA publishes as "Crude + Condensate" is the exact same numbers found here under the the heading Total Crude. Or perhaps it is because Mexico doesn't produce any condensate. I think that is highly unlikely however.
Ron Patterson
This year looks as bad - average so far is 4.463, but we know this is going to be lower, because of the stoppages announced yesterday, and because in recent times the second half production hs been lower than the first. I would guestimate 4.300 for 2006 in total
That would be another 9% year on year decline for the whole province and would bring the decline to 28% in a mere 8 calendar years.
Thats 1.3m/b/d to make up from elsewhere.
Even allowing for a conservative (based on what has happened thusfar) 6% decline by 2010 the N.Sea is down to 3.352m/b/d - a mere 1m/b/d to make up from elsewhere.
my bet would be that the North Sea (Denmark, Norway and UK) would total close to 3,0 Mb/d (crude oil and condensate) by 2010.
Note the accelerating year over year relative decline rates.
Somehow you get the feeling that, though it's obvious that acting now rather than later would be much cheaper, there is a sense of comfort in talking about a date that is so far into the future that none of us will likely be alive when it arrives (immortality is the last thing you would wish for, given the circumstances).
It makes you suspicious of the reasons these reports are written and presented the way they are. It makes the whole issue so abstract that people will just shrug and get in their cars. And maybe that's the whole purpose.
Besides, think about the effects that inflation might have on these numbers!! It might cost more in absolute numbers, but isn't that relative to unknown factors?
Why do anything inconvenient when you won't be there to see the results anyway? You think yeast care for their offspring when gobbling up the sugars?
I believe that is why we have great discussions here without the partisan bickering that takes place on other websites..
It's a rear view sport, so buckle up and hang on.
Cheaper gas tugs on retail sales
Cheap gas hurts the economy. Well, unless we get people to start driving more. Or buy SUV's that use more gas. Or buy homes that require longer commutes. Or, preferably, all of the above. Time for true patriots to stand up!
And maybe people really weren't paying attention to what the true monthly cost was until they got the bill. Then they see (because it is 1/12 of a year) what a huge increase they will be paying at $3.00/gallon rather than $2.25. Maybe they all of a sudden realized what a big ding there spending power took?
Or maybe GDP is still really energy spending.
Alan
A day or two ago, I happened to turn up my copy of NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC'S 1979 Special Report on ENERGY, titled, "The Unbalanced World". It was done by a large group headed by Science Editor Kenneth F. Weaver. Especially pertinent for the trends shown were two graphs concerning United States domestic energy use for the years 1960 and 1979. It occurs to me to ask if any TODers have access to comparable information relating to recent years.
The term used for energy quantity was "quads." A quad is defined as one quadrillion BTUs. That's 1 followed by 15 zeroes. The graphis shows proportionate colored stripes for someatic and imported oil, natural gas, coal and other, none separately quantified. The total energy used in 1960 was 44 quads for a population of 181 million, of which 23 quads were noted as "lost." For 1979, the total was 79 quads for the population of 221 million, of which 45 quads were lost. This calculates to a per capita use in 1960 of 2.43 billion BTU with 43% lost; in 1979, the per capita use was 3.57 billion BTU with 57% lost.
The "lost" energy is attributes to heat from engine combustion and from transmission lines, and that from conversion losses in steam generation. I would add loss from buildings, as particularly illustrated by the ubuquitous "heat domes" over cities, and the spectacle of light on the earth as seen from space at night, even 25 years ago. Exhaust from air conditioning would have become more significant by 1979.
The growing magnitude of the lost fraction -- over half the energy used in 1979 -- if translated to 2006, is frightening. Granted, much of such loss is inevitable, but one would think that there is room for both the technology sector and us peasants to try to improve those percentages. Think EROEI on the use side, and that half of every barrel of oil or lump of coal becomes unwanted heat.
There has been some progress toward that goal in the form of extra insulation, thermal windows, smaller and higher-mileage cars, etc. Just living smaller and slower along with trading with local producers where possiblewould seem useful.
Cheers,
-- Mort
All too true, as you say. Entropy exacts its due. But in the sense of the graphs noted above, the gas I burned to heat my house was effectively used and would not be assigned to the "lost" category. The same would also apply to secondary use of some part of manifold heat by diverting it to the interior of my car. The best way to deal with the "lost" fraction is to adjust to using less energy in the first place, but conserving the product -- heat -- helps.
Mort.
Economics: The Sound of Aunt Edna's Knitting
by John Michael Greer
http://www.energybulletin.net/21327.html
If you don't have access to garden space, consider taking up a useful handicraft or two. Aunt Edna's habit of knitting cardigans for all and sundry may have seemed quaint in the heyday of the industrial economy, but when central heating prices itself out of existence and transport costs put paid to clothing imports from Third World sweatshops, warm clothing you can make with your own hands has obvious value, and may also be a useful item of barter. The same is true of many other skills, from soapmaking and herbal medicine to the handyman skills that allow plumbing, furniture, and appliances to be repaired at home.
Although, a doomer's luck might mean you discover some meteor hurtling toward us..
Oil prices need to be so high that people stop driving to work before they will make it more economical to sew your own shirt or sweater.
I think having a shirt or sweater is least of your worries at that stage.
That was life 150 years ago.
Yep we had ee-lectricity 150 years ago, but it was "signal" not "power" it was the telegraph, in time the phone and the radio.
Power and signal are important distinctions; we're going eventually lose power, if we're lucky we may get to keep signal.
And it was because we didn't have any money. (Dad was in grad school at the time.) She used a sewing machine that had been a wedding gift. I doubt we'd have been able to buy one.
My mom sewed for me through college. I bought most of my clothing by then, but she still sewed me special items like prom dresses, etc. She's retired from her job as a public school teacher now, and has a business sewing crafty-type stuff. Makes pretty good money at it.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/7/135748/996
The by far biggest reserves are in Romania, according to BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2005. That country must be made of coal.
Wouldn't make much sense numberwise anyway. would it?
Quads for first graph: possible,
they state their sources
True, but they apparently don't read them. Check out the BP Table of Proved Coal Reserves -- their purported source -- for yourself. In particular:
Romania: 494 million tons
USA: 246,643 million tons
The Nationmaster chart is simply nonsense.
The websites a good idea, though. Hope they can get these quirks worked out.
http://www.bp.com/statisticalreview
The xl down load is about 1.2 megs.
Westtexas, the user, often talks about how West Texas, the oil
field, produces 1 million barrel a day with a oil cut of about
1%. My questions are:
TIA.
Slip of the keyboard? I would guess that you intended to write the Shakers. The Quakers seem to be doing fine--there is a Quaker Meeting House in my county that sees plenty of activity.
-AGW
They first need to go to the 5500 homes and businesses and shut off service at the gas meters. Then they can start re-pressurizing the main system. Finally, they go door to door, and turn the individual service back on and verify that your appliances re-light properly. This is to avoid blowing up a house with an old water heater. Here is a link -
http://www.ci.buffalo.mn.us/PRESSRELEASE.htm
CenterPoint brought in 200 service people for this project (I counted 120 vans at one of the city facilities on my way home last night). Personally it was not a major issue. Temps were around 30 last night. I have no furnace or hot water. One small space heater kept the living room at 66 all night where the kids slept and my wife just had to snuggle a little more. I showered at the gym and the kids can go a day without hot water.
But then I think about what would happen if this was on a larger scale - say Minneapolis in January. It took 200 technicians a day and a half to service 5500 customers. The 200 was said to be 'every available technician'. How long would it take them to restore service to a much larger region, when weather conditions were worse? How much energy is required for this project, and what if this becomes an issue where supply lines run short in areas on a more frequent basis? How long does it take your pipes to freeze if you have no heat and it is 20 below out?
Like I said, not a big deal for me, but I could see this being a huge issue in the future if the quality/quantity of the natural gas supply can no longer prove to be adequate.
I went through last winter without NG. COLD water showers and 1,500 watt floor heater (added electric blanket when I could get one and towards end, a heat pump window unit).
Best Hopes,
Alan
Please note, I don't know any of the answers. But If you do, please enlighten us.
How much Sunlight on the average flows to the earth? How much of that sunlight can we harvest?
Granted that most Plants harvest it rather well. But will we get better use of it by harvesting those plants and turning them into power generated for some use or by building solar collection devices to turn that sunlight into usable energy?
What is the maximum acrage that can be planted in the USA or World? How many laborers would it take if all of it were done by hand and not by diesel powered tractors?
We can plan to grow our own gardens with our own work and totally relocalize some of our cities. But how do we handle the big cities in places like Las Vegas and New York, or Hong Kong, where the number of people in them far out strip the area's ability to provide them food?
As some people have mentioned they don't believe that we will go through so bad of a time as others on TOD have said they think we will go through. No one really knows the future, we have ideas from our readings and our own thoughts. Few of us want the world to crumble and burn around our feet.
Then I look out my window and see Autumn leaves falling and hear the heater kick in and realize I have driven ZERO miles in my van this month. Two years ago I would have driven 455 plus miles by this time of Oct. I have 3,150 miles left to drive this year, on my balance sheet. I drove a lot in the spring and early summer and did a bad job of keeping my milage down. Just going back and forth to work was putting 7,800 miles on the road.
I have made a few improvments on my energy usage, What have some of you done? ( I do realize that some of you live off your land unlike most of us and you are doing 10 times better than most of us, its just a thinking question not one meant to raise hackles. )
The total energy content of bright noon sunlight striking a surface perpendicular to the rays is the equivalent of roughly 1 kilowatt per square yard or square meter.
The conversion efficiency of common commercial photovoltaic panels is about 10 %, meaning you can produce about 100 watts of electricity from this square meter of surface at the brightest part of the day. The more expensive, exotic technology panels may approach 15%-20% efficiency.
Not certain what the equivalent net sunlight capture efficiency of the most efficient plants (oil-bearing algae for bio-diesel??) would be.
How efficient is photosynthesis compared to the amount of light energy delivered to the earth?
FWIW, this estimate is about the same as all the others I've seen. Plants are only 3%-5% efficient at converting sunlight to energy.
If higher-efficiency methods of photosynthesis were truly advantageous (in the evolutionary sense), then plants would probably have evolved to do that by now. As it stands, there are plants that use somewhat different methods (C4 vs C3 for example), and some plants "grow like weeds" while others emphasize woody growth more, etc, but they're all successfully competing within their niche.
But there's a widespread belief that nature is more efficient than humans can ever be. Perhaps in a big-picture way, but as engineers measure things, nature is quite inefficient. As Stephen Jay Gould liked to point out, evolution doesn't necessary produce "good" designs - just "good enough."
Gould's "good enough", and engineers' "not very efficient" ignore the trade offs that take place everywhere. Like you can't win both the Olympic marathon and the 100 meter. You're not 15 feet tall because your skeleton couldnt take it. If a species takes too much of something out of the system, it will leave too little for other species, that may well be essentail for its surviival. Nudge wink.
You can even turn it around: a plant doesn't need to be more than 5-10% efficient in photosynthesis to survive and thrive. It simply doesn't need it, and can use the rest of its energy and abilities for other purposes. Perhaps that is the very summit of efficiency.
a)it lets more members of the species survive
b)it lets more species survive, period (life exists only in cooperation with other life forms)
c)because the species requries less than the environment provides, it can tolerate more stress, and is more likely to survive changes in climate, natural disasters, etc.
It is really a very, very efficient system.
If we were to take it to extreme we could say there is no such thing as Mother Nature. There is simply a collection of species and systems that interact to form the biosphere that is Earth.
The term Mother Nature and the personification thereof is a linguistic construct to permit conversation on such topics to occur with a certain degree of casualness and ease.
If we had to break down every thought into exact terms, communication would get tedious pretty quick.
Also consider that Mother Nature(or other icons) acting is for some cultures/religions an issue of belief. Gaia, God, Allah, or whoever do actively plan and manage creation according to some beliefs.
As any scientist will tell you, science does not speak to purpose.
I was not objecting to the term "mother nature" - like you I find it a useful linguistic tool. And please give me the credit of not assumming I would attempt to engage in an argument in semantics. If I object to language it is because I believe it is loaded with uncritical assumptions that need to be made apparent.
In fact, your last paragraph demonstrates that you actually agree with me - that attributing planning to "mother nature" or whatever diety, is a matter of belief.
I'm not saying their is no plan. I'm saying science can not reveal it and an pretension to understand it is either misguided or sheer arrogance.
I know that some folk here think this is a nit-pick point.
Actually it is a very fundamental concept,
..one that I see many intelligent people getting wrong over and over again.
Mother Nature does not do anything on purpose. It's almost all random output. Thanks to the Law of Large Numbers and luck, some of that random output survives and perpetuates ... for the mean time ... because current conditions luckily allow it to do so.
The human brain was not "intelligently designed" to do X, Y or Z. It is a random freak of nature. Due mostly to luck, the lizard brain that has a sheeple brain layered over it and then this overly-confident neo-cortical layer piled on top of that, has managed to survive ... thus far. It has managed to suck oil out of the ground and thrive ... thus far. There is no guarantee that this freak experiment will continue to run. It may self-destruct by use of nukes, or oil depletion or by changing climactic conditions on Earth. Mother Nature doesn't know and doesn't care. She has no propensity for vengence. Things just are ... for the moment. If the lab experiment blows up, so what? It's one insignificant tiny pimple area in a massive universe (or multiverse). Nature doesn't care. Nature doesn't design.
The new world is, of course, affected by the few surviving species, so the starting points are not uniform. Even so, the results vary significantly.
I hope we are not about to hit the reset button again !
Alan
guess thats why sim-life games were popular though also why they did not take off very well because they lacked the whole picture.
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/10/12/143057/35
http://www.junkyardsolar.com/images/100_1721%20%5B320x200%5D.jpg
"it's a solar concentrator. I got two dishes from neighors who couldn't handle looking at them anymore - they are relics....two 10 foot dishes. One is full aluminium and the other is black mesh. The one you see in the pix is the full aluminium..i started to take off the paint and sand it but it was going to take dog's year...so i bought some mylar online and glued it on with super 77 glue made by 3M It was not as easy as i thought...especially on a windy day...don't look at the many wrinkles!
It works unbelievably!! it just works too good...it burns wood in under 4 seconds and is melting aluminium - it's like lead dripping. "
Run some water thru an iron pipe and heat up a storage tank for radiant heating.
Things you can do at home if you're handy.
I've been doing some reading on this recently due to an argument in another thread a couple days ago. Here is what I've found so far.
Now further along, the writer points out the atmospheric effects of sunlight hitting the surface.
Source: http://mb-soft.com/public2/energyso.html
Now consider that the writer was saying this is an average for all locations and that obviously certain locations are better or worse depending on climate related factors. But sticking with the average here we go:
At 130 btu/sq ft/hour, that would mean 390 btus per sq yard, or (0.9144 X 390) would be 356.616 BTUs/square meter/hour. That is the average amount of solar energy hitting the ground.
Given that solar cells currently get between 10 and 20% efficiency ratings, that would mean we are currently able to recover 35.6616 to 71.3232 btus/sq meter/hour. I'm going to go on with a middle rating of 15% and continue with 53.4924 btus/sq meter/hour.
Now one gallon of typical unleaded gasoline has 114100 btus in it.
Source: http://www.nafa.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Resource_Center/Alternative_Fuels/Energy_Equivalents/Ener gy_Equivalents.htm
With current technology, in order to get 114100 btu of solar energy in one hour we would need:
(114100/53.4924) X 1 sq meter or roughly 2133 sq meters or 2.1 sq km of solar panelling.
However keep in mind that at the engine, ICE engines using gasoline have only a 32% efficiency rating on average. (There is apparently a Diesel tanker engine that can 50% efficiency)
Source: http://ecen.com/content/eee7/motoref.htm
(This 32% value was also mentioned in several articles I came across as well so I figure its a safe number. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
This means, ICEs currently are only putting 36512 btus to work per gallon consumed.
Given that Electric engines have between 75% to 95% efficiency ratings, this changes things a bit. Also keep in mind electric engines lose efficiency if they are not loaded properly either with too little or too much load.
Source (warning PDF): http://texasiof.ces.utexas.edu/texasshowcase/pdfs/presentations/d5/rschiferl.pdf
So this changes the equation a bit. In order for Solar panels running electric engines to match gasoline running ICE engines we need some more calculations.
ICE - (114100 x .32) = 36512 btus worth of usable energy
by comparison for solar panels to collect an equivilent amount power for an electric engine running at 85% efficiency in 1 hour we would need
(36512 x .85)/53.4924 or roughly 580 sq meters of solar panels. For those wondering that's roughly a 25m X 23.2m patch of solar panels or for the more visually oriented (if memory serves) is about 1/10th of a regulation soccer field or the size of the roof on a good sized house.
Now this is what I've found so far and I'm still looking into other numbers related to solar. Anyone feel free to pick apart my math or my sources.
As far as my self-inflicted reading assignment, the big one that I'm looking at next is the efficiency in energy storage. My gut tells me based on previous discussions this is going to be where solar takes an ouch.
Anyhow, the question I would have for biofuel proponents would be, how many Btus/sq meter/hour do biofuel plants produce? If anything I that number would tell us a lot about the viability of biofuels considering they will be subject to similar percentage losses as current ICE engines.
Need to correct myself, but that should improve the
numbers for solar I believe.
Corrections then:
130 btu/sq ft/hour would translate to 1170 btu/sq
yard/hour.
Converted to square meters that's (0.9144 X 1170) or
1069.848 btu/sq meter/hour.
Going with a 15% Solar Panel efficiency that would be
(.15 X 1069.848) or 160.4772 btu/sq meter/hour.
So to get 114100 btus(equivilent to 1 gallon of gas)
we would need (114100/160.4772) or roughly 711 sq
meters/hour of solar panelling.
Efficiency of ICE engines being 32% average (114100 X
.32) or 36512 btus of actual work.
Second error I caught while reworking things... if I
want an equivilent amount of BTUs put to work I
shouldn't be taking 85% of the "working" btus from the
gasoline example but rather I should be multiplying
the "working" btus from gasoline by 115% to account
for the added needed btus of solar that will be lost
from innefficiency. So :
For 85% efficient electric engines running off solar
panels:
(36512 X 1.15)/160.4772 = 261.64 sq meter/hour of
pannelling needed.
Or just a bit larger than a 16 X 16 meter square (16 X
16.35).
Feel free to correct me again if I missed something. Math is a bit rusty due to disuse
This is all an inconsistent fantasy. I suppose that's the thing about fantasies -- they can be anything you want them to be.
I myself am worried about where the oil is going to come from to guide a transition to implementing whatever substitutes we can and powering down.
The lights are on, but nobody's home
Made me think of Proposition 87. Never underestimate the political clout of ADM.
True, but ADM is much larger than Cargill. ADM however is a publically held company.
See? A perfect circular argument. And it gets better:
Australia : 2/3 of wheat harvests will fail this year.
Time to invest in corn.
Cargill/Monsanto, Syngenta/ADM. Can't go wrong.
Get rich on misery. Let 'em eat cake.
Ethanol = more money than food.
We won't need double the food in 2050, because there won't be as many people on earth if things don't change.
illegal border crossings story
Where do you get good data to make graphs for historical prices?
My knowledge is pretty thin -- pretty much everything I know came from articles here. I understand that not everything is heavily traded, so the more liquid investments have less risk.
Is Black-Sholes a model to start with for options pricing? I was a math major in college, so I should be able to eventually figure this out, but I'm not sure where to start.
thanks!