Tuesday Open Thread (updated w/ pre-SOTU info)
Posted by Heading Out on January 31, 2006 - 12:44pm
For your pleasure . . . .
Update [2006-1-31 18:15:26 by Super G]: NY Times reporting: "Bush to Say 'America Is Addicted to Oil' in Speech".
President Bush plans to tell Americans tonight that they must not retreat from challenges at home and abroad, that they make the economy of the United States the best in the world, but that they must break a national "addiction" to oil."In a complex and challenging time, the road of isolationism and protectionism may seem broad and invited, yet it ends in danger and decline," Mr. Bush says in his State of the Union address, according to excerpts issued in advance by the White House.
My guess, they will cut exports, no tanker attack (yet), gas prices at about 3.15 on Friday
-Stop the Iran war-
Here is a question for the Geo-politically minded people out there.
What is up with China and Russia?? What caused them to all of a sudden support the UN Security council recomendation for Iran to be dragged before the council.. I thought there would be NO WAY that either of them would support this measure. What do you think happened in the back rooms?? Promises of oil rights to Iranian oil fields in the future? Maybe we said, "we get Iraq and you get Iran, and we all go home hapy"....
What do you think?
Robert NW Ohio
http://tinyurl.com/d8zpr
The brains behind the new world geo-strategic map that is being drawn is Thomas Barnett. It is called The Pentagon's New Map. The globalization map can be seen below:
http://tinyurl.com/9ya2u
To begin to understand the current landscape you have to first understand we have all been conditioned to view the world in a bipolar way. There is a "good" and a "bad" and to us the US represented the good. The world is shifting to a unipolar landscape. There is no more "bad" and "good". All the major economic nations are working together to close the gap, containing all the energy and natural resources, and unite the globe. The US is basically a global police force, called by Barnett, the leviathan (why do you think we spend more on the military than the entire world combined?). As the strategy evolves they are beginning to form a Sysadmin force that will stabilize counties after the leviathan has toppled the noncompliant government.
China, Russia, and the US (Functioning Core) are using government sponsored "international terrorism" to seduce the global population under a blanket of fear. They are working as a team to close the "gap" and unite the world under a global federation...
Real Player presentation:
rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter122004_barnett.rm
==AC
The OFFICIAL PARTY LINE, WAR IS PEACE;
"Security that American military strength provides is as important as any of those other flows. If you remove that security, you will feed the disruption of the flow of people, investment, and energy. Walls will go up and globalization can be killed. That is one thing that the American public does not understand. Our export of security is one thing -- it does not mean exporting arms. It means paying attention to mass violence around the world. The Department of Defense is the world's largest consulting force. It goes to where the "client," so to speak, lives. The American public only wants to hear about the exit strategy. But "the boys" are not coming home until we make globalization truly global. People don't want to hear about that long-term effort.
People might say a "happy ending" is naive, but there is enough in the book for me to show that I am not "a wooly-headed peacenik." I come from the world of national security -- I work at the Naval War College -- I can say that there is a happy ending if you have the courage to recognize the path that lies before us and the tremendous opportunity that lies beyond. The society is on the verge of eliminating war as we know it. That is what the book seeks to describe."
Tom Barnett
http://tinyurl.com/93w2o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine
Your point however is not weakened, rather it is strengthened because of the more recent G. W. Bush doctrine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_doctrine
There has been no president more supportive of Israel than GW Bush, Iran has threatened Israel with nukes. Israel has threatened to attack Iran before Iran can deploy nukes. There is no doubt in my mind that Bush will take action before Israel does. His Axis of Evil has three members: Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Iran is next. Its leadership apparently wants confrontation - their connection with reality is clouded by mystic beliefs. I suppose the Iranian liberals boycotted the last election in the hope that this would come about. AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) is already beating the war drums:
http://aipac.org/iran/
And because of the Israeli lobby in DC, war opponents in the US are muted:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8428
As has been pointed out on TOD, the West and other economic powers have Strategic Petroleum Reserves, which have been prepared for military emergency - the US has more oil in its SPR than at this time last year:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_petroleum_status_report/curren t/txt/table1.txt
It is indeed striking that Russia and China are going along with this. But that might be a result of America's conduct of the Iraq War and subsequent occupation. Their worst fears were not realized - an exclusive takeover of the oil fields. Russia benefits greatly from high petroleum prices. China puzzles me, but economic ties with the US may play a part.
How will our major media connect the dots? Will we get a legitimate story or will we be treated to news clips of Iranian mullahs? I don't expect to see vids of lumbering SUV's cruising for E80.
Light crude prices seem to be having a difficult time holding above $68/bbl, but like a moth to flame can't stay away from that level. The too easy story to my mind, is that this price premium is driven only by geopolitical anxieties focused on Iran and Nigeria. The price to problem corelation is not strong enough, to my mind. (I imagine that traders are catching on to the underlying geological supply problems and reading Staniford et al. late at night on TOD.) Anyway, the real surprise is that prices have held up to the extent they have. Why?
Incidentally, gas prices in Eastern Maine are drifting down and have no relation to crude prices, just yet.
So they will only try to threat, trying to influence as they can the price but I bet that there are other underlying causes to the raising prices than the geopolitical fears ...
1.) America impeach Bush while they comb the junkyards for used Volkswagen parts as Ford and GM disappear into thin air,
2.) US interest rates climb to 30% to finance purchases of sky-high SUV food supplies while American Airlines, Delta and Southwest... stop flying then go broke 6 months later.
3.) or what?.. France nukes Israel (or US) in response to <whoever's> use of tacticle nukes in Iran?
4.) OK! I don't know what, but one thing is a sure bet; Something ugly is going to move very far to the right on the probability curve.
Welcome to the "Real War on <Oil> Terrorism". Osama is just a neighbourhood gang player in this one. Iran got everybody by the short hairs with this nightmare "End of diplomacy" play.
To me it looks like Iran gets nuclear power... hands down, or you/we get 1 and/or 2 maybe 3 and certainly 4.
Hey, what the hell, maybe the State of the Union Address "When America leads, America wins" will cheer everybody up.
Iranians can't afford not to sell their oil. If they take their production out for a while, it wouldn't be long. They might sell it to China, but that would diminish the pressure for overall competition.
Bush impeached ? Which purpose would that serve ?
France nuking Israel or USA ? I've heard that before. But Chirac's speech really mean't : Dear George, I'm back with you. Don't forget his minister, Mr Sarkozy, went to school with the neocons.
If oil price rallies over a short period, dollar will fall back, and USA will export again like ever. Who would take profit ?
They won't take out any tankers, but they surely might not send any out either.
Buy futures before then! Ya the risk is priced in now, but its only the probability, NOT the certainty.
Heating Oil
Gasoline/Diesel
Jet Fuel
Plastics
Lubricants (let's stay serious here folks)
Fertilizer
Conversion to Electricity (Utilities)
I'm sure there are many others...
Please includes thoughts on substitutability with other methods/end products and how scaleable they are.
Since we hit Peak Oil for light sweet in 2000/2001, the supply & cost of bunker fuels has been better than for higher end product. The yield of bunker fuels from heavy oil is higher than for light crude oils.
Other uses for oil products for electricity and industrial heat can be rapidly substituted.
Limited subsitution for home heating can be made with natural gas and quite limited substitution with wood.
However, this winter has shown a good price elasticity of demand for heating and natural gas in general. In late December, we were actually STORING NG for one week.
An interesting crunch will come in demand for NG to extract tar from Canadian tar sands. 2,000 cu ft/2 million BTUs of NG per barrel of tar with current technology.
Is the barrel of tar equivalent to heavy sour crude in terms of refining costs?
Looks like an EROEI of about 2.5 before refining. Not very good. Even worse considering the value of NG.
Can superheated water from a nuclear plant hydrogenate the tar?
Better to build nuke (or wind) in Texas, California etc where high % of electricity comes from NG, substitute uranium or wind for NG, ship NG to Chicago to substitute for Canadian NG for tar sand use.
Strip mining is a mobile process, moving from site to site. Nuke reactors (except USN) are not mobile. Major issue to feed nuke plant site with enough tar sands for 40+ year life of reactor.
How important is kerosene in the U.S. or is that under jet fuel?
What is needed here is a breakdown by category or product in terms of its percentage "take" of oil produced. For example, gasoline consumes approximately 45% of oil produced.
Once the list is completed, then we can see what can be done in terms of each category.
Hmm...Buy some Gold?
Now you're talking :-)
But seriously. Exxon could start, as peakguy says, by investing in renewable energy, and a nice second attempt would be at cleaning up the environmental disasters that they've sometimes left behind.
As for the price controls that Leanan mentions from a CNN poll, please. We really need a better information campaign explaining why this is such a crappy idea.
They actually did pass price controls in Hawaii. (Yes, even with a Republican governor.) They are not '70s price controls, and don't seem to be hurting. Not sure they're helping, either.
Letting the price rise may be the easiest way of creating demand destruction, but politically, it's fraught with peril. I expect there will be a lot more people demanding price controls or windfall profits taxes in the years to come.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/01/news/economy/oil_specter.reut/index.htm
If the rationing mechanism is poor, you'll create a secondary market for people selling their rations at a high price, have to deal with people scamming little old ladies out their rations, etc.
Hawaii claims that they are discriminated against, because they are a small market. The price controls tie the Hawaii price to the prices in NY and LA (plus extra for transportation, taxes, etc.). The governor also has the right to suspend the price controls if necessary.
Individual gas stations can still charge whatever they want.
Either the price itself imposes a rationing mechanism (perhaps unfair, but easy to implement) or a government must decide who gets how much gas and at what price.
I can't say I know the details surrounding Hawaii's price controls. Perhaps the price delta between the capped price and what would be the uncapped price are too small to be stimulating much additional demand, or perhaps Hawaii is small enough that the additional demand is supplied without creating issues elsewhere. I think the key issue though, st that there is not a widespread shortage right now.
Maybe non-Hawaii folks are paying slightly more at the pump due to Hawaii's price controls!
Price controls encourage consumption, which is the opposite of what we need when high prices are due to shortages, as appears to be the case today.
As far as an energy tax, I agree with Lou Grinzo's comment a few days ago that as we approach the peak, the market will make oil products get more expensive, hopefully in a gradual way. That sends the right message, that people need to conserve, and it does it in an economically flexible way, with prices automatically adjusting up and down as supply and demand fluctate.
As a matter of fact, Google is using their profits to buy up unused optical fiber. I'd say Google is behaving as it should.
Exxon Mobil? Why exactly are they buying GMAC? Only joking. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them bid on it. Remember, their only obligation is to their stock holders and the stock holders don't give a damn where the profits arise.
There are going to be a lot of PO'd voters when oil gets to $4 a gallon and our government won't be shy: they will lay an egg and tax the goose.
A recent survey in Canada shows 60% support for nationalization of energy companies. Don't underestimate the wrath of a frustrated SUV owner. They aren't about to remember that seven sisters have been living on pauper's profits for ten years. It's all about "what have you done for me today?"
http://money.cnn.com/POLLSERVER/results/22911.html
A majority of respondents support either a windfall profits tax or oil price controls.
Exxon is making money directly from sales to consumers, at prices that are inflicting some serious economic pain.
Google gets their money from advertisers, and provides one hell of a great service to the public for free.
Maybe I'm just being picky, but those seem like quite different situations, especially when the question at hand is whether to impose a windfall profits tax.
The fact is that a significant part of the US military budget is directly associated with securing oil. If Exxon and the other oil majors had to foot the bill for this and other taxpayer funded assets and costs they would have gone bankrupt years ago. Therefore they are entitled to no profits whatsoever, certainly not until they pay off their debts to the American people. How is it that it makes sense for them to make obscene profits selling products to their creditors? Let's drop this charade - these are not really private corporations at all, it is just another way of funneling public money to the wealthy.
Why do you think Exxon made so much money this year? Do you think that's going to change next year? Their best investment is in oil: exploring, producing, selling. Reinvesting that money into their business operations is the very best thing they can do.
How about ... give most of it away to the poor??? Is that such a dumb idea?
I once heard a statement: "give me your credit card, and i'll bankrupt you with compassion".
Basically keep throwing money at me, till i say "enough"
Ok, so they give most/all to the poor. next qtr, they look around to see who wants/needs it again. you think there will less waiting for a handout?
Doubtful, there will likely be more.
I know someone who lost her husband in a tragic vehicle accident, she was given a 1.3 million dollar settlement. In one lump sum! she paid off her house, spent the rest on her 2 kids, bad investments etc...18 months later, she had to foreclose on her house, cuz she had borrowed aginst it and couldn't make the payments. basically it slipped through her fingers. ALL IN 18 MONTHS. Me? i'd be set for life)
Thus she is even more poor today than she was before her hubby died. Sad!
So where does it end? just keep giving out money every qtr? endlessly? how much does one continue giving?
this is a touchy subject and many people are full of opinions, and while i do not wish to engage in a battle of right and wrong, i thinks it's ok for a company to make money.
That being said, people are given the opportunity to better themselves and they don't do that! as i have heard before,/ you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!/
Remember the looting in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina? as shown on CNN, Fox, Msnbc etc? recall seeing someone taking a television set? do you think that person was going home to hook up to cable? so he could watch Fox sports report on Baseball? or watch CNN on how the rescue attempts were going around New Orleans, maybe even in his own neighborhood?
Uh, I don't think so!
While i dont have a problem with him looting essentials to life or death, (food/water/basics) or even a case or 2 of beer or 5th of scotch.
I disagree with non essentials like dvd players, TV's etc. it's not like electricty was of abundancy there for while. Priorities man, no priorities!
In reality, it was most likely to be pawned for more drugs. that was likely his priority.
so where do you draw the line on handouts from the big evil oil companies? should they be restricted to a 1% profit (or less) while other companies are unrestricted?
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/04/300_private_islands_.html
Seriously? I would start a company manufacturing electric sports cars.
-Stop the Iran war-
Thanks for posting that. I hadn't heard of it, or of the Burj-al-Arab hotel. Man oh man, the absolute extravangant wastage of the world elites. I just cannot believe the opulence...unreal.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11103509/
(These comments are by a Dallas Morning News Columnist, William McKenzie)
http://dallasmorningviews.beloblog.com/
Bush State of the Union: getting religion on energy?
Here's one potential big deal in the president's State of the Union speech: A Nixon-goes-to-China on energy issues.
A senior White House aide I spoke to over the weekend says the president will focus on new energy technologies, which means alternatives to oil production. The aide cited a Fortune article touting energy alternatives. He also noted how Richard Rainwater, once Bush's Texas Rangers' partner, now champions the peak-oil theory. That's the line of thought that says the world's hit its top production capacity for oil. From here on out, oil's downhill.
I haven't had time to run down Rainwater's beliefs, but, if this is true, that's a huge shift. Rainwater had bet heavily on oil when it was selling at low prices. He looked crazy, but he was considering how demand was growing in China and the Far East. It turns out he was right, which makes his voice on peak oil particularly significant.
It will be even more big-time if Bush starts getting religion on energy alternatives. A Texas oilman who gets behind them could outdo a red-baiter like Nixon going to Peking.
2:38 PM | William McKenzie (More) | Respond | Permalink
http://www.energybulletin.net/11695.html
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/31/news/economy/pluggedin_fortune/index.htm
It even uses the same "Nixon goes to China" comparison.
Matthew Simmons says that Bush didn't seem to understand peak oil. Just looked at him with "curious incomprehension" when he tried to explain it.
I wonder if Rainwater got through where Simmons couldn't.
STATE OF THE UNION PREVIEW: President Bush to say 'America is addicted to oil' and must use technology to break dependence... Developing...
Quantitative Assessment of Reliability HL Analysis of Russian Production
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This link takes you to a plot of Russian production showing the predicted production curve, based on Hubbert Linearization (HL) versus the actual data. Note that only the data points circled (through 1985) were used to construct the model. The data plot was put together by Khebab, who may not share my views on Russia.
The HL method--using only data through 1985--predicted that Russia would produce 61 billion barrels (Gb) in the 19 years after 1985. In reality, Russia produced 57 Gb. Actual production was 93% of predicted. I think that it is significant that actual production is 4 Gb below the HL prediction, given that everyone is so mesmerized by the recent increase in production.
Currently, it appears that production is about 5 million barrels per day (mbpd) above where it should be based on the HL plot, but 5 mbpd is 1.8 Gb per year, so we could actually see a year or two of rising production before production reverts to the curve (assuming that it will). For what it's worth, my bet is that Russia will start a steep decline no later than next year. If Russia is going to revert to the curve, if it started right now it would probably require a decline rate of about 11% per year. Note that production growth year over year is slowing, from 11% to 9% to 2.7% last year.
Note that if Russia had followed the curve, and if current production was LOWER at about 4.5 mbpd (instead of about 9.5 mbpd today), total cumulative production would have been 4 Gb HIGHER than current cumulative production. I suggest that you read that again.
Russian production has just been rebounding from the post-Soviet collapse in production and as cumulative production gets closer to where it should be, year over year growth is slowing, which is what happens before production starts falling.
I guess my basic question is if the HL method was 93% accurate in predicting the incremental cumulative production from 1985 to 2004, why are we so distrustful of the predicted production in the next couple of decades? The model predicts that production in 20 years will be down to about one mbpd.
I concede the point that lightly explored basins in Russia will add new production, but I suspect that it will be as Alaska was to the US--it helped, but it did not reverse the long term decline. Also, it takes a long time to add significant new production facilities. IMO, the math is clear. The only long term trend for the vast majority of existing Russian production is down--and down sharply.
This plot reinforces my concern that we are facing an immediate crisis in net export capacity. What if the Saudi plot is 93% correct?
You act as though the few year period that marked the fall of communism would have a significant statistical impact on a decades long production curve. It didn't. It was abrupt but short lived. That 7% number even "feels" about right when you realize what the total production was.
I suggest that you find the specific flaws with the conclusion. Explain why those are flawed. But frankly, the missing surface between the Hubbert curve and actual values even looks like 5%-10% of the total surface under the curve.
Thus, I fail to see why decades of oil production by Russia should show a significant long-term statistical perturbation based on a few years of disrupted production, especially when the production that did occur was still more than 50% of the prior maximum volume for the (relatively) short period of the disruption.
I suspect, Halfin, that you simply dislike the conclusion, on purely emotional grounds. Unfortunately, emotion is not sufficient basis to render a conclusion invalid. Present your reasons for your opposition to westexas conclusions, please. If you have a real argument, then it should be heard.
Not only that, as I pointed out in the earlier thread, the HL chart doesn't even look reasonable; Russian production has been steadily trending higher and higher above the predicted curve. On other HL charts, when this happens, people draw a new line through the latest trend. But if you did that in this case you'd get an infinite supply of oil, which is unreasonable. Russia's situation is so unique that conventional HL analysis doesn't work.
Khebab agrees with this and he has studied it as closely as anyone. His modified HL model gives remaining recoverable reserves as about 80 Gb, consistent with expert testimony quoted by Dave (one of the strongest Peak Oil supporters here) about Russian fields, while Westexas has it as 18 Gb!
I am not questioning these conclusions on emotional grounds, but rather because Russia looks to me to be a clear case where conventional HL analysis is not going to work.
This is a 7% perturbation in total production since production began decades before. Now, for the actual years in question during the collapse, production in any one year was down as much as 50% but since the period of the collapse was so short, the impact on the total production (Qt) was minimal.
Think of it this way - what's your average income if you make $200,000 a year for 15 years then are bankrupt and make nothing for 1 year, then make $150,000 a year for 5 more years? It's $178,000+ per year and yet for 5% of that time period there was NO income at all.
Now look at the Hubbert curve that westexas references - the new "increased" production almost exactly matches the "lost" production from the period of economic instability. And again, unlike England, where we had a verifiable additional oil find (the North Sea), we had none in Russia comparable. Instead, all we had was a temporary interruption via a political/economic event and then a resumption of what the existing geology allows.
There's no basis for doing a "dual" humped Hubbert curve here that I can see since in the past that was done to accomodate new finds (such as the impact of the North Sea on English production) that were so large they needed to be refactored in with prior data. Here, lacking a new find that warrants the increase and instead just having political/economic stability return, we are continuing the existing Hubbert curve.
Second, your prior comment in the earlier thread simply assumed that you can extrapolate from the limited data that you wanted to use. That's not valid either, is it? Using the entire trend line, as westexas has done, seems reasonable to me. The US production has not exactly followed the HL but it's been damned close. The fact that Russian is a less ideal fit yet still linearizes as it does should give us great pause before extrapolating out to 80GB, no matter what some optimist says. Look at how often these same optimists have been wrong in the past from ignoring the HL trendline!
Third, neither you nor Khebab have explained why the second Russian peak is "immature" and should be treated as a double logistic curve at all. As I said above, every other time that is done it is done in response to new discoveries. Here there are none, just a political/economic event that simply delayed existing production.
Can someone explain to me why the double logistic should be used when there was no new discovery to warrant this? Would you use a double logistic if the US pumped oil as before til 1972, then turned off all the spigots for 20 years then resumed in 1993 exactly as it had in 1973 in the real world? In my hypothetical case, it the cessation of oil flow is simply a temporal disruption, not a change in original supply.
Thanks in advance for an explanation of this.
This is a 7% reduction in post-1985 production, which is the date (roughly) of the Russian peak in production.
In other words, since the fall of communism shortly after 1985, Hubbert predicts 61 Gb and the actual is 57 Gb, only 7% less. Thus my conclusion that even with the chaotic and indeed catastrophic repurcussions from the fall of communism, Russia still managed to get within 7% of what Westexas predicts with his Hubbert linearization. This is what I described as implausible.
Texas peaked at 54% of Qt, and it has fallen ever since.
The Lower 48 peaked at 48% of Qt, and it has fallen ever since. (You can add in Alaska, but it doesn't change the long term decline).
The North Sea peaked at 52% of Qt, and it has fallen ever since.
In all three of the above cases, the Conventional Wisdom (CW) was dead wrong, and the simple Hubbert Linearization (HL) method was dead on right.
Most notably, the majors working the North Sea--with the best talent and the best technology in the world--were 100% dead wrong about the North Sea peak. The simple HL statistical model was dead on right.
Russia peaked in a broad plateau around the 50% of Qt mark, and HL has accurately predicted 93% of the post-1985 production. Can anyone name any other technique that has been this accurate in predicting long term production over close to two decades?
I concede the point the unexplored and/or lightly explored Russian basins will add production, but I predict that it will basically have the same effect as Alaska had on total US production. It will help, but it probably won't change the long term trend. The key Russian oil fields are so far down the depletion curve that huge production declines are a mathematical certainty.
Worldwide, lots of things are possible, but the fact is that no one has found a one mbpd of larger field since Cantarell, 30 years ago (again, it seems that the Caspian Sea production was primarily a question of deciding to develop it). Russia should soon start seeing production declines of several hundred thousand bpd to one mbpd per year.
So who are going to believe, the CW guys who have gotten is consistently wrong, or the simple statistical HL analysis that has gotten it consistently right?
Initially, my reaction to westexas Russian prediction was similar to Dave's. That is, I found it hard to believe, looking at Russian production recently that they could somehow drop.
But then I tried plotting the percentage change of Russian Federation Oil Production since 1985. Here's the graph:
Now if you extrapolate the last segment of this graph (2004-2005) over the next two years you get a 5% decrease in production this year and a 12% decrease in 2007.
Now that seems like a pretty drastic, but plausible, turnaround in Russian Oil Production.
I'm certainly not comparing myself to a genius like Hubbert, but I got a small taste of what it must have been like for him to challenge the conventional wisdom.
I think that we are facing a clear and immediate danger, because of a lack of net export capacity. BTW, if you missed it the Russian oil companies have announced that they are cutting back oil exports because of heavy domestic demand this winter.
That shut-in, if it lasts a reasonable length of time, will almost certainly cause their production to drop this year, unless, as Peakearl says, they make some new finds. Although, anything found this year isn't going to be in production for a few years yet.
Soon after reading his book I sent an e-mail to a friend, stating that I thought Russian and Saudi oil production totals could be as little as 3 million barrels a day each by 2015. This is a WAG, but after seeing Westexas' graphs I can see this coming true. I am always suspicious of academics saying the future will be this (especially after reading USGS reports), but I feel on more confident ground when someone says prove me wrong, here is my work, have a look at it. I respect that, as it shows honesty and the person hopes that they haven't made a howler somewhere along the way. The easiest way to prove Westexas right or wrong is to see Russian oil production figures at the end of next year. He has made a very big prediction and let us see what happens. If he is right, we should applaud him to the rafters, if not, perhaps the mathematics doesn't work too well in real life. I, for one, believe him although the timing might not be spot on. I think Russia has more oil that Westexas predicts it has, but the difference may not matter in altering the shape of the slope and that is the crucial, downward point.
For December 06:
Expected price: about $70/bbl
50% price range: $59 - $80/bbl
Markets see a 25% chance the price will be below $59, 25% for $59 - $70, 25% for $70 - $80, and 25% for above $80.
I also tried to estimate what the chances are for a price above $90, and it is a little hard to judge due to thin trading, but it looked like around 12% or 13%. I.e. you can get about 7 to 1 or 8 to 1 odds if you want to bet (via buying a call option) that the market is going over 90 this year.
'However, he says it is also part of a compromise. The Americans and the Europeans had been pressing for formal referral - a move that would normally lead to sanctions - but settled for the less formal option of "reporting" Iran's activities.
Iran is expected to face more criticism at the special IAEA board meeting in Vienna on Thursday. But analysts say the powers will wait until the regular board meeting in March to put their planned resolution into effect.
A US diplomat told Reuters news agency: "This is the most powerful message we could have hoped for."'
If the West bothers to play by the rules, after a
referal to the Security Council, there would be
a resolution calling for the imposition of
sanctions -but it has already been pointed out
that sanctions are unlikely to have much effect
on Iran, which has plenty of land border for the
movement of whatever goods it might need from the west
and does anyone really think Russia and China are
going to stop trading because the US demand it?
If the US decides not to play by the rules (and
it didn't with respect to Iraq) then all hell
could break loose any time after March.
I don't believe Iran will like hearing "sanctions" and will revert to drastic measures where the good of the population in general will not deture their political purpose. I also have no doubt that a significant majority of the population will see it as their patriotic, if not religious, duty to participate in enduring the hardships imposed on them by God in making all attempts to resist the infidels. Nothing new there.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060126/sc_nm/environment_ethanol_dc
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/27/AR2006012701258.html
sure hope it comes up as a hot link, but from here it may not.
There is an interesting article in 321Energy.com that addresses price of oil to amount of US dollars in circulation.
http://321energy.com/editorials/casey/casey013106.html
"Since the younger Bush took office, the U.S. has been frantically printing money to stave off recession and keep the bloated American economy from collapsing. Fiat dollars have made their way around the world and now constitute the major foreign currency holdings of most countries. Central banks in China and Japan hold an estimated combined total of $1.3 trillion. With the modern equivalent of printing presses going flat-out, the world supply of money has almost doubled since 2000, from less than $2.5 trillion to just below $4.5 trillion.
Interestingly, as money supplies have increased, so too have oil prices. While there are certainly other factors at work, it is hard to ignore the correlation between the doubling of the money supply and the rise in crude."
..or the increase in price of just about everything not found on a Walmart shelf.
and..
"The other implication is that real supply-and-demand problems may not yet be fully priced into the oil market, even with crude at $65. In fact, the ratio of the oil price to world money supply currently sits near its historical average (represented by the green line). That is, crude is not overly expensive, given the amount of money in the world."
This could mean that we aren't even at the point where real production problems are evident and the cost is still $60 plus. Inflation seems to be the growth hormone jacking the price higher. And we haven't even experienced significant, world altering production problems yet.
When the $ / oil tie breaks the economic reality breaks too.
The timing of thee things will be significant.
"The [American] empire has entered the phase of desperation, like a vampire who sees dawn approaching and realizes that he still has not sucked enough blood.
...
The United States invaded Iraq for oil; it doesn't care about democracy or life. They are desperate because their reserves of gas and oil are running out."
-Hugo Chavez, President of Venezuela
Read this article
How can you not love this guy? Viva Chavez!
Been listening, he's been speaking well (though a mite false) perhaps he's been tutored?
requiescat in pace
I shall miss quotes like this
What a man!Greenspan, the man who spun the Reagan illusion beyond Reagan's time. I agree with his nick "Maestro" for that is what he has been, conjuring an implausibly stable reality from a sea of quicksand. He has been consummate in that role.
A couple of links about him today from marketwatch:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=morenews&guid=%7B1EC389B5%2D523F% 2D47DE%2D9457%2DEE0A21EE2191%7D
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=morenews&guid=%7B90EEC72D%2D045C% 2D4E38%2D9343%2D87F7F3291E87%7D
The mere change of Fed head is a moment of risk, the last two have been tested by events. This time the risks are greater. Greenspan has been in charge a long time: it has spanned 6 presidential terms. In terms of continuing the illusion it has been more important than any of them.
Helicopter Ben is a very smart man. But he is an economist and that is a handicap that many of us here would recognise. Greenspan had a knack of utterance that bemused markets into believing what was best for them.
Will the illusion persist? Probably not. What happens, then? I don't know, but I don't think you will like it.
Maybe if you look at it from start to finish it is.
Looks like Lovelock's prognosis for Gaia has prompted other scientists to come out of the closet and say what they have been previously reluctant to say. I would expect that 2006 will be the year of "awakening" re. the terminality of the environment and resources.
Reed
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Britain
The Times January 31, 2006
Analysis
Report shows scientists' real fear
By Peter Wadhams
THE report Avoiding Dangerous Climate Change brings out very clearly just how fast scientific worries about climate change have accelerated, propelled by a new fear -- the "tipping point" when change becomes irreversible.
We have already reached one such point in that we cannot go back to a system with no climate change. We know that carbon dioxide continues to act climatically for about 100 years, so if we went back to the Stone Age tomorrow we would still experience another century of warming.
But there are further tipping points where subsystems break down; for example, the Gulf Stream slowing because less cold water is sinking at high latitudes. Eventually a point is reached where the whole climate-regulating system breaks down, producing changes that can never be reversed.
Just recently, for instance, it was realised that as carbon dioxide levels rise the oceans become more acidic and that this will destroy plankton, especially plankton with shells, which absorb and reduce carbon levels. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded in 2001 that the rate of global warming is about one third faster than previously suspected.
It predicted that by the end of this century there will be an average warming of between 2C (3.6F) and 5C, with devastating consequences.
The next IPCC assessment is due, and the new fear is that runaway change could soon be upon us, whatever we do.
Peter Wadhams is Professor of Ocean Physics at Cambridge University
Good point.
Funny how quickly events in the past month have transpired against the 'what me worry?' economic punditry don't you think?
Heck, a couple of weeks ago, CNBC and similar MSM channels couldn't find an 'expert' who wouldn't parrot the Fed line of a signalled pause concerning interest rates increases.
Whoops!
Three guys - a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden, and an American engineer are together one day. They come across a lantern and a genie pops out of it. "I will give each of you one wish, which is three wishes total" says the genie.
The Canadian says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, his father was a farmer and my son will also farm. I wish that all the farmlands of Canada will be forever fertile."
Pooooof! In the blink of the genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever made fertile for farming.
Osama bin Ladin was amazed, so he said, "I wish for a wall around Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Jews or Americans can come into our precious state."
Pooooof! Again, in the blink of the genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.
The American engineer was curious so said "May I first ask a question? Please tell me more about this wall".
The genie explains, "Well, it's about 5000 feet high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds all three countries.
Nothing can get in or out. It's virtually impenetrable."
The American engineer responded, "My wish then is that you fill it with water up to about 4000 feet."
In a poll conducted for the University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes between June and August last year, fully 74% of Chinese citizens said they agreed with the statement "the free enterprise system and free market economy is the best system on which to base the future of the world." The Philippines, at 73%, and the U.S., at 71%, were second and third. The poll, which surveyed 20,791 people in 20 countries, seems like a pretty good snapshot of current sentiment, as such things go.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113867761847560684-lMyQjAxMDE2MzM4MTYzNzE3Wj.html
http://www.plan59.com/av/av119.htm
Samberg figured maritime insurance rates had gone up 400%.
The big question I always have is "when"?
As I read the posts at TOD, and I contemplate slow squeezes and projected maximum productions, I keep thinking that any system that is pushed close to its capacity will begin to experience losses. As you drive along a freeway that is starting to get too crowded, you may be able to see that if everyone maintained lane discipline and worked in a unified manner, that the speeds and throughput could be much higher. But it won't happen - someone wants go 20mph faster, someone is on the phone, another has a malfunctioning vehicle, etc. Perhaps it's just entropy. But I expect that these losses will manifest in trying to achieve and maintain maximum oil production too. Politics, wars, hurricanes, what have you will prevent us from getting to what might be done if everything went like clockwork. My suspicion is that this is not accounted for - but then I don't really know how it could be quantified, and even if it could it would be tough to incorporate 9other than by fudge factor).
The effect would be to exacerbate the problems we face, and make the answer to "when" be "sooner". Anyone else have any thought on this?
I expect an economic crash, might lead; but I often think politics will be just as likely to take front stage. It could sure coverup the lack of foresightedness; not just consciously creating a coverup, but maybe just denial.
As a psychotherapist I think maybe my belief of sooner; i.e. anytime, is as I have read from Matt Savinar - most likely my personal predisposition see it this way. I know this is very very big water - I used to run whitewater- and it brings out so much personal that the facts get cloudy.
I went to NYC years ago and was amazed at how the cabs didn't wreck as there were no lanes and jocking for position at lights. I do not expect it to work that well, as I said the mindset is my concern.Tell someone they are going to lose their way of life and I don't want to be on the road with them anytime soon.