Oh(phelia), please not again...
Posted by Prof. Goose on September 7, 2005 - 11:24am
NOAA has no idea where she's headed, but the GOM is a possibility. Have a look at the five main models they use...just something to keep an eye on. Forecast discussion below the fold. (thanks Aaron D.)
MODELS ARE IN GREAT DISAGREEMENT MAKING THE FORECAST HIGHLY UNCERTAIN. BOTH THE GFDL AND THE ECMWF BRING THE CYCLONE WESTWARD OVER THE NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO. THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORSE CASE SCENARIO FOR THE NORTHERN GULF COAST. THE OTHER MODELS KEEP OFELIA LOOPING NEAR THE SOUTHEAST U.S. COAST. THE BEST OPTION IN THESE CASES OF LARGE MODEL DISAGREEMENT IS TO FORECAST LITTLE MOTION.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/071436.shtml
(Next Update: October 12th, 2005)
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/contents.html
Because considerable uncertainty remains regarding the specific extent of Katrina's damage, it is difficult to provide a single forecast for the upcoming winter and subsequent months as we typically do in the monthly Outlook. More detailed damage assessments should be forthcoming over the next several weeks, which should clarify our forecast.
Looks like we'll have a day or two before Ophelia decides which way to turn, if at all.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/09/15th_named_stor.html
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I agree. If we deny, then we can defy all negativities. It is only those overly realistic liberals who insist on accurate "accounting" and watching the bottom line. What we need is more fuzzy math and faith in the higher powers that provide. We who value "values" know how to evaluate the truth of the matter. Keep that positive outlook and everything will turn out A OK (for "us").
Lots of good weather discussion on www.easternuswx.com
Click FWD to animate
http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/gfdltc2.cgi?time=2005090706-ophelia16l&field=Sea+Level+Pressure&a mp;hour=Animation
Take a look at http://hurricanefutures.miami.edu/ where people can bet real money on where hurricanes will hit. Current quotes predict a 65% chance that Ophelia will make landfall on the northern Florida coastline, in the A2 or A3 regions on the map. (This isn't terribly surprising since Ophelia is just offshore in that region.)
This hurricane market is a new idea so it's not clear how useful it will turn out to be. The web site is a little rough and I haven't found a way to look at, for example, the price history of Katrina as she made her way across into the gulf. I did check it shortly before landfall and it was predicting G3 or G4 (basically the Louisiana or Mississippi coasts) which was a no brainer by that time. It would be interesting to see how soon the market firmed up on that prediction.
Anyway this might turn out to be a good alternate source of information for hurricane watchers.
http://www.salon.com/wire/ap/archive.html?wire=D8CFMSQ80.html
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A very good article by Sydney Blumenthal (You may need to get the free Salon day pass to read it)
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/09/08/limited_government/index_np.html
"What didn't go right?"
President Bush's absurd question underscores the arrogance of an administration whose "limited government" agenda is responsible for the disastrous federal response to Katrina.
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This is to be taken in the context of the following
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/07/national/w095209D05.DTL
At a news conference, Pelosi, D-Calif., said Bush's choice for head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency had "absolutely no credentials."
She related that she had urged Bush at the White House on Tuesday to fire Michael Brown.
"He said 'Why would I do that?'" Pelosi said.
"'I said because of all that went wrong, of all that didn't go right last week.' And he said 'What didn't go right?'"
"Oblivious, in denial, dangerous," she added.
In the first government estimate of Katrina's economic impact, the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office said the damage seemed likely to reduce employment by 400,000 in coming months and to trim economic growth by as much as a full percentage point in the second half of the year. The impact should be temporary, with gasoline prices declining and consumer spending rebounding, said the assessment obtained by The Associated Press.
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Further from
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050907/ts_nm/energy_gulf_storms_dc
Another storm would devastate US energy: analysts
HOUSTON (Reuters) - U.S. oil and natural gas supplies would be devastated if another strong storm hits while the Gulf of Mexico is recovering from Hurricane Katrina, energy analysts said on Wednesday.
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Two hurricanes and a tropical storm were churning in the Atlantic Ocean on Wednesday.
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The 2005 hurricane season, which lasts until November 30, has been one of the most active on record and is just reaching the traditional peak of activity in early September.
linkity link
Interestingly, the same technology that these researchers purport to control the weather can be used to deliver the world free energy through scalar electromagnetic waves.
The notion of free energy would surely have impacts on peak oil...
Hurricanes are thermodinamic systems and they are caused by high temepratures at the ocean surface. That is a natural phenomena and for now there is no human thecnology that can create them.
What real scientists are saying?
I made a reearch and I found this:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=181
It is a good idea read all comments about the article. There is good info there to how hurricanes "happen" and how high temepratures are making them more stronger.
João Carlos
sorry the bad language, my native language is portuguese.
PS
Inteligent Design isn't SCIENCE, it is religion. But "The USA enemies created a machine to hit us with hurricanes" is more stupid than ID...
People are in denial about cause and effect in the U.S. if they are separated by more than 5 minutes. People don't want to adhere to the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) method for explanations when the reality is too uncomfortable to deal with. They invent illogical and convoluted explanations to avoid accepting responsibility for their actions.
"Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."
(Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.)
Why would Cohen allude to a problem that does not exist in a Department of Defense briefing? Would he not be considered a fool and be dismissed from his position? There really is quite a bit of quality research covering weather modification and warfare. Einstein said, "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Most people do not want to even consider any thought outside their comfort zone. I'll leave a few links in case you are interested.
There are so many and if you felt inclined to spend perhaps an hour of research into this, you'll probably be hesitant to merely dismiss weather warfare as Micahel C. novel fodder. I could give you loads of evidence, but will need more time to put it together.
http://www.weatherwars.info/
http://www.cheniere.org/
Where to begin.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/weather.cfm
Okay, now we know you represent that christian fundamentalists (or better, "christian talibans") that want destroy science and start a new Dark Age.
TRUE SCIENCE is made by scientists. To make true science a scientist will work with physical evidence. Meteorologists work with physical evidence and they know physic better than you that think that the Bible can teach you physic and biology and mathematics and any other science. The Bible teach morals, not science, but you evidently not learned morals from Bible because you come here to spread this BULLSSH*T. So, you aren't a TRUE CHRISTAN! You are a lunatic fundamentalist that never learn what is be a TRUE CHRISTAN!
The meteorologists (and they are TRUE SCIENTISTs while you aren't) have solid evidence that hurricanes are caused by changes at air temperature and air pressure now. There is NO PHYSICAL data showing that hurricanes are caused by eletromagnetical fields. That is nonsense and the christian talibans like to spread these nonsense to fit their lunatic views.
Let's science be made by REAL SCIENTISTS. These religious lunatics will destroy USA if they stay at power for more time.
João Carlos
Sorry the bad english, my native language is portuguese.
Although I am a Christian I did not bring up any of the topics for which you have attacked me. I have only provided a link to source material that has been compiled from a Christian source. Yet, I am interested in the relationship between faith and reason, as well as the polarisation of socio/political/religious groups, which you alluded to in your post.
What is your definition of a true Christian?
(By the way, you can ready about the Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Act, legislation passed by the US Congress as Bill S-517 on March 3, 2005. I believe the act goes into effect at the first of next month)