Let's All Take a Minute--An Open Thread
Posted by Prof. Goose on August 30, 2005 - 3:42pm
Take a minute and send a thought/prayer/whatever you believe in into the ether for the people affected by this tragedy. I don't know if you have had a chance to see and hear the scope of this yet, and I don't know if "news coverage" will ever do it justice, but watching this stuff will just make your heart bleed. The suffering in the affected areas is of great magnitude already, and will only get worse in the coming days and weeks.
So, please keep in mind the human tragedy.
Also, please do not begrudge us for looking to the future past this event. We do not do it out of ghoulishness or insensitivity. We do it because we see the potential problems that may be down the road.
I also hope you will note the Red Cross box in the upper right hand corner.
Update [2005-8-30 15:56:18 by Prof. Goose]:The Governor of LA has just called for evacuation of the entirety of NOLA, calling the situation "untenable."
I'm a frequent Red Cross volunteer supervisor here in Canada and would like to add, aside from a plea to donate blood:
Even if you can't contribute financially, please consider giving up some of your time. Now, right now, contact your local Red Cross.
They will need and want your help. Their call centers will be swamped; they will want to send trained experienced people out into the field. And even if your local center does not need you, its a good thing to let them know you are available for training and volunteering in your locale -- some future emergency they will call upon you. Red Cross call centers will be needed shift volunteers around the clock for some time to help in reunification work among other tasks.
Commmunity volunteerism in emergencies will give you a ton of good karma... its a good, no, tremendous feeling to be able to help in any small way.
Intelligent and aware observers knew that we'd know today what was happening. And it's just as bad as we feared, just tragic. New Orleans is being evacuated as we speak. People are dying there and in Mississippi. Not "One Lucky Big Mess", that's for sure. The infinite capacity of Americans to fool themselves is not called for as we look at one of the biggest disasters in US history.
I suspect there is a higher than average complement of people here who share some or all of your views, anonymous.
One does not become a hypocrite by offering support to the suffering, no matter who they are - American or Sudanese - nor is it feasible or desirable to offer only qualified support and list every other group in history who has been wronged, hurt, or wiped out by natural and man-made disaster, before we feel for another...
The TOD no doubt draws an international audience. I am Canadian for example; I know there people from Pakistan and South Africa joining in here and no doubt many other locales. Sympathy feels the same no matter what language, religion or skin colour.
As an American, I can tell you that the American news reporters are incredibly America-centric. If an international flight crashes, all they want to know about is how many "Americans" perished, as if the the "others" don't count. This is part of the American sickness, that we are so self-centered we pretend other humans do not count. We can easily convince ourselves that Iraqi's are "towel heads" and thus not human or that Vietneames people are "gooks" (last war) and don't count, etc. etc.
This disaster shows that all men and women are equal in front of the all powerful forces of Mother Nature.
We're posting a lot about this particular situation on this website because we exist to discuss oil issues, and Katrina will certainly affect oil production. But that doesn't mean that the readers of this website are blind to other worldwide concerns, and I don't think anyone should make such assumptions about who we are and what we believe.
It's a different matter when it's our own country, and we know people who have lived or still live in the area affected. If the tragedy was preventable, we could have done something (as opposed to being unable to affect events); if not, it could have been us.
There is no comparison.
"Equally flawed is the concept that the atrocities are
African-only problems that require African-only
solutions. The well-documented abuses that continue to
occur demand broader and more robust international
efforts aimed at enhancing the AU's ability to lead. In
view of the Sudanese government's abdication of its
sovereign duty and to the extent that the AU cannot
adequately protect Sudan's civilians, the broader
international community has a responsibility to do so.
Civilian protection needs to become the primary
objective. Crisis Group recommends the following
immediate steps, building on AU efforts, to deploy a
multinational military force with sufficient size,
operational capacity and mandate:
1) agree on a stronger mandate. The AU must
strengthen AMIS's (AU mission in Sudan) mandate to enable and
encourage it to undertake all necessary measures,
including offensive action, against any attacks or
threats to civilians and humanitarian operations,
whether from militias operating with the
government or from the rebels. Without a
stronger mandate, the ability of AMIS -- or any
other international force -- to provide
protection will remain extremely limited,
regardless of its size;
2) recognise that many more troops are needed.
12,000-15,000 should, in Crisis Group's estimate,
be on the ground now to protect villages against
further attack or destruction, displaced persons
(IDPs) against forced repatriation and
intimidation, and women from systematic rape
outside the camps, as well as to provide security
for humanitarian operations and neutralise the
government-supported militias that prey on
civilians;
3) support a much more rapid reinforcement of
AMIS. The current AU plan is to reach 7,731 --
including 1,560 civilian police -- by September
2005. The AU believes this relatively small
force could largely stabilise the situation and
that it might then need to go up to 12,300 by
the second quarter of 2006 in order also to
facilitate the eventual return of the displaced to
their homes. Crisis Group believes even the
latter number is at the low end of what is
required first to provide stability in a still lethal
situation, that these troops need to be appropriately
equipped, trained and of a quality to undertake
a dangerous civilian protection mission and that
the AU should consequently approve and
commence an immediate increase in AMIS to
12,000-plus highly ready personnel, to be incountry
within 60 days. The need for civilian
police is especially urgent;
4) provide strong, immediate international
support. To meet these objectives, the UN, EU
and NATO must offer the AU additional help
in force preparation, deployment, sustainment,
intelligence, command and control,
communications and tactical (day and night)
mobility, including the deployment of their own
assets and personnel to meet capability gaps as
needed;
5) develop a Bridging Force Option. If the AU
cannot meet these objectives -- numbers and
quality of troops, and time -- NATO should
work closely with the AU to deploy its own
bridging force and bring the total force up to
12,000 to 15,000 within 60 days and maintain it
at that level until the AU can perform the
mission entirely with its own personnel. The AU
should agree that until such time, its units would
come under command and control of the NATO
mission. The UN Security Council should
authorise the mission with a civilian protection
mandate but if it does not, the AU and NATO
would need to assume the responsibility and
agree on an appropriate mandate. If the
Sudanese government does not accept such a
mission, NATO and the AU would need to
prepare a much larger one to operate in a nonpermissive
environment; and
6) enforce the Security Council ban on offensive
military flights. The AU and NATO should
agree on enforcement measures to be applied if
Khartoum violates the prohibition in UN
Security Council Resolution 1591."
No comparison.
it's easy to personally help with the genocide in Darfur, call your senators and representatives and tell them to support the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act in discussion. and donate to one of the many human rights organizations keeping people fleeing burning villages alive with essential water, food, and medical assistance.
i plan on donating blood to ARC. if you personally know people in the NO area, that changes things. otherwise, the genocide in Darfur is currently much worse than Katrina in terms of the scope of human suffering, and we have ignored it for over a year. not what i would call a humanitarian response by the US or the world.
Donating money to relief organizations isn't going to stop Khartoum from having an on-going massacre-fest. People who send money there have little assurance that they will actually accomplish something. But if you do something for the refugees from Katrina, the folks helped by your money are not going to have it all un-done the next week by a band of thugs sent by the government. The help will actually help.
That's one reason why people give more for our own.
why would sending money to reputable human rights agencies doing humanitarian and intervention efforts in Sudan (or anywhere in the world) be less effective than doing so within our borders? do you feel that sending money to relief agencies for the 2004 tsumani was also similarly corrupted and misallocated? perhaps some of it was, but you can only depend on the organization to handle the funds appropriately (and not let corrupt governments steal them), whether domestic or foreign. it's naive to think domestic funds are more often reliably and conscientiously used, while money used to end tyranny, oppression, and diaster overseas will most likely be wasted. both have risks and must be judged on a case-by-case basis.
sending money will help with the humanitarian disaster in Darfur, but the politcal steps cannot and will not happen unless enough US citizens cry out loud enough to make the policy changes (increase AU ground forces, stronger AU mandate, UN support) or else. when officials fear for their seats in Congress because people are outraged at their complacency, then they will stand up to change something. you have just thrown up your hands, and said "i give up, genocide or not, i can't make a difference". throwing in the towel before the game even started impies that "NEVER AGAIN" is meaningless.
Normally I let crap like you just wrote go but I'm upset today. And if you're going to write that, don't hide behind the "Anonymous Oil Drum Reader" tag, which I assume is the default for people who don't want to join and be known in this community.
Do you propose feeding the rapidly growing population in perpetuity?
Regardless, this post was way off topic.
regarding Sudan/Darfur, as far as i know it's not about the amount of land being unsustainable for the people but rather government supported genocide using militias to rape, torture, exterminate, poison well water, etc. the reason there are 2.5 million refugees is because their villages have all been razed and bombed and they were forced to flee.
i wish the people in NO and the surrounding area the best. i have empathy (and that is what is important, not sympathy) for all people who are oppressed, suffering or maligned by horrible circumstances or tyrannical forces. and i know it is a generalization that most americans (and i am one) really don't care about anyone or anything that doesn't affect their personal or national interests, but sadly it is often true. america has been this way for a long time, but regrettably i don't think we can afford to anymore for the sake of the world and what we're doing to it. i apologize if i offended anyone to make this point.
Although, if you had not posted anonymously, I would have cut you some slack.
Everyone: Take PG's advice. Breathe. Find a little perspective. And then give as much as you can to the Red Cross. Give until it hurts, until you've given enough that you'd be embarassed to tell your friends. And then give some more.
i plan on donating some blood to IRC as soon as possible. there are too many trapped/suffering over there.
i don't believe either party (neo-libs or neo-cons) is working for the people (with a few individual exceptions), and we need to seriously change who runs (and the way we run) the controls of this monsterous machine that is Americana.
Sudan is about many things but don't discount the ability of a land to support the population as one of the root causes of poverty; people who live on rich land and who have full bellies tend not to be oppressed. This is not an absolute but its certainly a pattern.
That's not to say they are not subject to oppression; they certainly are. Much evil has been done in the name of "oil and freedom", no matter what the anonymous thinker below your comment believes. Energy is power and power causes people, and nations, to do unnatural things to other peoples and nations.
I expect Africa to become the next world wide powderkeg in time, and oil will be underneath the surface as a clue to where to look for the worst problems.
No closet democrat here, I'm a life long Conservative, a conservative realist who does not operate with eyes shut or brain set to "accept the common clap trap" that springs out from government and the media, purporting to be truth.
So, excuse us if we brood over our losses and lick our wounds. No, don't excuse us. KISS OUR ASSES next time you need us.
August 30, 2005 20 32 GMT
Although search-and-rescue operations remained the top priority of U.S. federal and Louisiana state authorities in the New Orleans area Aug. 30, the general consensus is that the region's main infrastructure network took a major hit from Hurricane Katrina -- and that it will be weeks at best before the crisis subsides. The eyewall -- the most deadly part of a hurricane -- swept directly across the lower Mississippi delta.
Shipping industry sources report that the situation on the Mississippi River is extremely bleak. The river is closed to navigation and restoration to "normal" traffic flows is likely to take at least a month.
As water rises in New Orleans, and spreads into the historic French Quarter, the city has become more of a hindrance than a help in efforts to assess regional infrastructure damage -- and get the region's economy back on track as soon as possible. Furthermore, if all pumps in below-sea-level New Orleans were working -- which they are not -- the bowl in which New Orleans sits would still take three weeks to empty.
Following is an initial assessment of the damage to the southern Louisiana energy and import-export infrastructure:
-Most roads either are cut off or blocked by debris. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin says that Louisiana State Highway 1 -- the backbone highway that crosses the state diagonally from the extreme northwest corner to Grand Isle on the Gulf of Mexico near the extreme southeast corner of the state -- is closed in the affected area. State Highway 39 also is closed because of debris and other problems.
-The executive director of the Grand Isle Port says the port essentially is wiped out and the industrial region surrounding it is in ruins.
-Damage assessments at Port Fourchon are being hampered because several large ships are beached on the highway leading to the port. The port is home to three-fourths of the support services to the Gulf's deepwater oil and gas facilities and the land base for the oil off-loading facility known as the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP). At the very least the channels that allow ship access will need to be cleared.
-Oil-services facilities in the city of Venice, the closest such facility to Port Fourchon, have been completely destroyed.
-The city of Cutoff also is reporting massive damage via extremely sporadic communications.
-Shipping sources report that the Port of New Orleans, for all practical purposes, is gone. Damage along the Port of South Louisiana, a series of dozens of interlinked docks and trade service infrastructure, appears to be heavily damaged.
-Cellular and landline communications are down throughout the region.
-The situation on the Mississippi River is dire. The U.S. Coast Guard only recently began surveying the channel to look for wrecks -- and already has found many. Shipping industry sources say most barges are intact and their crews are well, but the one remaining open road to and from New Orleans will make re-supply and rotation difficult. In essence, the crews have become refugees in their barges. All electronic aids to navigation have been disrupted and are either nonfunctioning or destroyed. Although navigation is possible using GPS systems, massive quantities of debris will keep barges where they are. The river is closed to all civilian navigation to mile marker 507 in Natchez, Mississippi -- about halfway to Arkansas.
-The Coast Guard has been forced to relocate its staff upstream to Alexandria, about 200 miles from New Orleans.
-The U.S. Agriculture Department has begun debate on transporting grains -- especially soybeans and corn -- to Louisiana and Mississippi by rail, but no decisions have been confirmed. The rail industry already is expecting a shortage of rolling stock because the drought in the Ohio River valley is forcing some shipments to travel by rail instead of river. Because barges on the lower Mississippi are at a standstill, there are doubts agricultural producers will be able to ship grain into the region by the end of September. Soybean harvest begins in two weeks, and national soybean storage facilities already are filled to capacity.
At present, there is only one piece of good news. Initial reports indicate that the LOOP itself has passed its initial damage assessment and appears ready to resume operations as soon as power is restored. That does not, however, mean that it will. Operators must first ensure that the pipeline connecting the LOOP to Port Fourchon remains intact.
I wonder if there's any risk of that happening to critical infrastructures (ports, refineries, production facilities, power stations) in Louisiana?
I think they need to get troops in there fast to maintain law and order.
That being said, of course I do not condone illegal activities...
The Iraq looting is very different, though. Why take infrastructure? What are you going to do with it? The entire region is destroyed--there's nothing to be built right at the moment.
This is a particular situation where amnesty for looters makes sense. Police and national guard have no business wasting even a second trying to stop looting when there are people who still need to be rescued.
-- Haley Barbour, the Governor of Mississippi, said: "I have instructed the Highway Patrol and the National Guard to treat looters ruthlessly." --
So the storm does 26 billion in damage and the looters stock up on perishable goods, break locks, windows, and cash registers, perhaps doing 5-10 million in damage when all is said and done.
Gotta keep everything perspective.
There is a difference between picking peanut butter and soda off the shelves of a Winn Dixie, which could be quite excusable and even necessary, versus endangering other people because of greed.
18 called War of the Future by David Morse regarding the
tragedy in Darfur which is really about the oil.
Hurricane season continues until 30 November. According to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, this is the 9th year out of the past 11 to show above-normal hurricane activity. They see a 20-30 year climate cycle that affects hurricanes (with little effect from climate change so far, in their opinion).
Their grim conclusion: "NOAA expects a continuation of above-normal seasons for another decade or perhaps longer." There are huge implications to this.
Pray for those in need, and ask for a bit of respite from future storms.
Now, with respect to climate change, look here at a recent posting from realclimate.org if you want to know why, probably, Katrina was the most intense, biggest hurricane in recent human history.
If you disrespect Nature and put greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the consequences may be bigger than you expect.
Perhaps even an ahhh... idiot like Steve Levitt (Freakonomics, you know, water, oxygen and sunshine are "virtually free", not to mention CO2, Methane, et.al.) is reading this. Katrina presents a unique opportunity for him to learn something.
This is indeed a tragedy of enormous proportions, but even worse would be for us to endure something this terrible without learning anything from it.
At this moment, with water still rising and the recovery not yet begun, I think it's safe to say that the worst and best of times for NO are both still ahead. It's up to all of us to make sure that NO's future is built with more than money and raw materials, but with intelligence, compassion, and spirit.
people being nice to eachother.
thanks for all the high quality info on
the hurricane event.
as we all know people die and get born every
day and we can all be sad about preventable deaths.
i am glad this event got the oil prices to the
mainstram news but i think we all know that this
not a 'peak oil' event because this is an economic demand issue.
all the fed. reserve has to do is raise interest rates or
the fed. goverment could show some leadership and get more
renewable energy subsidies.
the real peak oil events are political events that
scare ignorant consumers to hording like 1973 and 1979
be able to get such timely information. The New York
Times has been disappointing, the Washington Post
somewhat better. Also, WWLTV.COM just posted that efforts
to stop the levee repair have been abandoned and 12-15
feet of water is expected.
ALL RESIDENTS ON THE EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE AS EFFORTS TO SANDBAG THE LEVEE BREAK HAVE ENDED. THE PUMPS IN THAT AREA ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL SOON AND 9 FEET OF WATER IS EXPECTED IN THE ENTIRE EAST BANK. WITHIN THE NEXT 12-15 HOURS**
Jeff Parish President. Residents will probably be allowed back in town in a week, with identification only, but only to get essentials and clothing. You will then be asked to leave and not come back for one month.
I agree. It isn't like it is hard or anything to register, and having bunches of anonymous postings makes it hard to tell who is saying what.
Missed New Orleans?":
http://www.colorado.edu/hazards/o/nov04/nov04c.html
9 Weeks to pump the water out of New Orleans!
I know it doesn't relate to oil much, but the article gives some insite on what the author predicted might happen during the storm and after the cleanup. Also worth note is the following comment, "New Orleans would be dramatically different, and likely extremely diminished, from what it is today".
I am getting angrier about the incompetent prior planning for this, because we should have seen it coming. Some people did, including those on TOD.
I don't think calling this "our tsunami" is an appropriate analogy. A tsunami is a rare event with catastrophic loss of life. The poor countries affected in Asia had a maximum of 12 hours to respond, and no communications ability to learn about the event or to get the word out. They were hit unaware.
Hurricanes are high-probability events in the Gulf, but they have lower loss of life so too many people think they can ride them out. Katrina was known about for days, and the ability to communicate with virtually everyone except the homeless was there. Everyone knew it was coming, they were just naive in the preparation phase.
The middle and upper classes were told to fend for themselves and evacuate pretty late in the game. Traffic snarled because some people ran out of gas on the Interstate. How hard is it to anticipate and fix that problem? It's not rocket science. The poor and the tourists were left to huddle in the Superdome.
The National Guard is stretched because of the number of troops posted in Iraq; FEMA (part of Homeland Security) said they would not send in their own people until after the storm; 3 out of 5 emergency rooms were totaled. It's just not good enough.
It sounds like the oil companies did as good a job as they could of preparing, shutting down rigs, and evacuating their personnel. Ordinary people are working without a net, and it's wrong.
On a more serious note, what fraction of NO is in this basin? How many square miles? Are some of the outer areas of the city at a higher elevation?
I suspect that there are lots of folks who are going to be living in tent cities for months. I don't know where else you put these folks. In theory one could build better accomodations, but any building supplies would really be better used for reconstruction.
If I had to guess, they will be restoring access and utilities in less severely affected areas first. From north to south, I suppose. We had a hurricane come through Virginia a couple of years ago, and Virginia Power had something on their website where they showed a map with the outages that they had recorded. Has anyone seen any websites that show the current status for the electric utilities in the area?
The applicability to NO is questionable. Adding foundation piers and support beams below the historic buildings of NO looks to be a ticklish and expensive affair, and then there's the matter of building them with enough shear strength to be able to handle hurricane winds without falling over. It would be great to be able to jack up buildings by a couple of feet every few decades to compensate for subsidence (and add a new layer of dirt on the streets when re-paving), but this may not be feasible without engineering the whole infrastructure for that purpose from the outset.
But I think he figures Washington, DC is farther away
from the mess than his ranch in Texas. Plus if any dis-
gruntled New Orleaneans want to camp out at his doorstep
they probably won't be able to find any gas to drive to
DC.
I'll stick by what I posted this morning that the people of TOD very accurately predicted the effects of a direct hit by Katrina and the mass media and U.S. in general are just taking longer to realize it.
I suspect there was a lot of undersea earth movement associated with the storm surge brought by Katrina. Ivan cause a lot of undersea mudslides and I predict Katrina has done worse damage. Clearly the more remote parts of the coast are totally destroyed. Conventional news coverage started out assuming no knowledge meant things must be OK. I see that has changed throughout the day. Having been through major flood events in the midwest in the 90's I can tell you the damage can't be known until the water goes away.
One last comment which I will be blasted for, I'm sure.
Many of the residents of NO were/are quite poor as in most cities. They didn't have the resources to move some place on short notice. I don't remember the authorities rounding everyone up and providing transportation out of the city.
While I don't condone it I am not as upset (as some posters here) that some of these survors are apparantly looting stores. I see this more as a salvage operation, especially with respect to food. Many one story buildings will be completely covered by tomorrow with all inventory destroyed by flood waters.
Does it not make sense to salvage all the food and durable goods you can before the waters rise? I understand someone's business and money is represented by those goods but is it better to be lost by theft or by water damage?
People are already hungry and wet. They need food, clothing, shelter, and barter goods. I don't think money has a whole lot of value in New Orleans tonight.
Without leadership people's most basic survival traits tend to take over and we are a pretty ruthless and successfull species when our backs are against the wall.
Please think about this carefully before condemming people who have just survived a natural disaster. What would you do if the water was rising around your knees with no end in sight?
Why would any caring human being flame you for this? I'm sure the large majority of people looting are just trying to survive at this point and I'm equally sure some of them are thieves.
I also agree everone needs a unique name to allow dialog. Ban the Anonymous. Assign a default number maybe.
Yes, of course, and that's what I meant in my previous comments. Looting personal goods from houses might not be so good, however, if it's at all possible that people can come back.
If someone is using the opportunity to rip off an ATM machine or steal a TV, then it is an entirely different matter.
Taking other stuff is just looting.
To know that a thing could well happen but to feel powerless to stop it, well, I think that sometimes people who believe that we are fast approaching peak oil get this feeling too. But the consequences of inaction are too terrible for us simply to give up. The same as in New Orleans.
Mark these words.
You're going to be seeing them again.
In the case of Peak Oil, the list of links that follow will number in the tens of thousands.
emphasis mine.
when you are poor, reality is very different,
the options are very different
A nations greatness is measured by how it treats
the least of its people.
The whole world is watching
Well, it wasn't exactly art, but we're freaking out as to how close this is getting to what was predicted in 'Oil Storm', the fictional docudrama that aired on the FX Network several months ago. After having an unwatched copy of it kicking around next to our TV for the past month or so, we decided to watch it as Katrina hit land. Besides the uncanny timing of the disaster, the writers may be pretty much on target in terms of the damage that such a hurricane could have on the oil-rich Gulf Coast and our economy as a whole. It will only be a matter of months to see if the worst visions of the drama play out in real life.
Spooky.
This event will definitely start making some Peak Oil skeptics into believers. Governments had better start planning NOW. This is only the start.
Gryphon, perhaps you underestimate the power of evolution and the structure of the human mind. Peak Oil skeptics are part of the "Stay the Course" herd. They will keep marching toward the cliff, more resolute than ever that the chosen way is the right way. Sad.
The images of the victims remind me of apartheid...
JN
On another board I predicted that Katrina would be the first Trillion Dollar Storm once all costs are accounted. (I don't know how a fatality from the storm would value it.) Rising energy costs are a part of that cost. Yet, there might be some good.
Based on figures presented here at TOD, almost 2MBD of crude extraction are shut-in, along with a correspondingly large amount of NG, which will now be saved for sometime later instead of being used now. And as mentioned above, there will be dislocations throughout much of the South and the old Midwest with New Orleans essentially out-of-commission for the next 6-8 weeks at a minimum.
"here" is Central / East Texas, btw. A trickle of refugees arriving so far, lots of folks here have family in the stricken area, family that have lost homes or at the least power and water.
As for as the so-called looting/salvaging, I pray the powers that be will have the sense NOT to shoot anyone for stealing food, toilet paper, and diapers, or anything else for that matter.
Ciao.
Tom
http://piqueoil.blogspot.com/
If you watch enough of the news footage, you can see those going after food are NOT hiding their faces from the cameras, or else they are kids who are just too ignorant to care. But women taking shoes and clothes and young men grabbing stereos, TVs and PS2s are not doing that because they are hungry. Why? Well, FNC had one kid that basically believed that if it was left in the city, he had a right to take it if he wanted to.
I heard on the radio (ham) that some drug stores were looted the first night by the drug crazies, along with a few liquor stores. The second night, there were reports coming to my friend that every drug and liquor store in town was emptied for the most part. And there is a lot more gunfire heard than is being reported by the media.
What encourages me is seeing people smart enough to just hoof it and do the 20 mile walk out of town up Interstate 10. People survive, but those waiting on government to help them may wait quite a while. FEMA saw all of this coming, but did not deign to step in until it was all over - THAT is our federal government at work. The CAT 3 levees "considered adequate for most hurricanes" sat quietly insufficient while the city beseeched the feds for money to upgrade to CAT 5 - that is so very typical. Cow's out - better fix the barn door...