The Swift-Boating of Peak Oil
Posted by Stuart Staniford on November 15, 2005 - 7:32am
Browsing peakoil.com late at night, I came across the following interesting specimen at Rigzone, of all places. Dr Jerome Corsi writes:
A key argument of "Peak-Oil" and "Fossil-Fuel" theorists is no new giant oilfield discoveries have been made in recent years. Oil "experts" such as Matt Simmons and Ken Deffeyes are locked into the belief that oil is a fossil fuel, and pretty soon we are bound to have found and drilled all the oil that ever was. What about Brazil?The experience of Brazil's offshore drilling is proving that giant new oil fields are out there, waiting to be discovered, just off shore along the continental shelf. Petrobras, Brazil's largest oil company is moving Brazil from being nearly 100 percent dependent on foreign oil imports only some 50 years ago, toward becoming a net oil exporter in the next few years. How? Brazil has realized spectacular results by developing the technology to drill ultra-deep offshore wells in Brazil's Barracuda and Caratingua oil fields, in the Campos Basin some 50 miles into the Atlantic Ocean east of Rio de Janeiro.
While the geology suggests the Campos Basin oil-rich deposits formed when the sea level was lower than today, the deposits suggest that the area was most probably still underwater when the sand and mud deposits flowed into the area.Of course he's wildly misrepresenting the fossil-fuel theory. Oil comes from marine or lake algae, (or river algae in the case of deepwater oil) not dinosaurs, and there need not be any close relationship between the age of the source rock and the age of the reservoir rock.With the geological description of the rock, "Fossil-Fuel" theorists are going to have a hard time positing that ancient dinosaurs and decaying prehistoric flora were the cause of the oil. The geological description sounds like the area was already well underwater when mud and sand run-off from the shore deposited sediment. The abiotic theory of oil seems more consistent with the geology, arguing that this type of deposit was sufficiently porous for upward-seeping hydrocarbons naturally formed in the Earth's mantle to pool in reservoirs.
Dr Corsi concludes his thesis with this barb:
Looking at the experience of Petrobras in Brazil, we are led to wonder why the United States is leading in ultra-deep oil operations. Few countries in the world have the extensive offshore territory enjoyed by the United States. Why aren't we resolved to become oil independent by exploring offshore oil with the aggressive resolve demonstrated by Petrobras?If you were wondering which esteemed engineering school Dr Corsi graduated from:Our problem seems to be that the current coalition of radical environmentalists, "Peak-Oil" and "Fossil-Fuel" pessimists, and the political Left are unwilling to step down their rhetoric long enough to look rationally at some real world empirical results.
Jerome R. Corsi received a Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972 and has written many books and articles, including co-authoring with John O'Neill the No. 1 New York Times best-seller, "Unfit for Command - Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry." Dr. Corsi is an expert on political violence and terrorism and founder of the Iran Freedom Foundation.While the technical achievements of Petrobras are indeed considerable, it doesn't take long to refute the main point: proven reserves in Barracuda are 867 mb, while those in Caratinga are 362 mb. Given that annual global consumption is 30gb, total reserves in these fields represent 11 and 4 days of global consumption, respectively, suggesting we might not want to get too excited about the giant-ness of these fields. Compared to giants of the past, we could consider:
- Ghawar (60-131gb, depending on who you believe), 70-150 times larger than Barracuda
- Burgan (66-72gb), 81 times larger than Barracuda
- Samotlor (20gb), 23 times larger than Barracuda
- Kirkuk, Iraq (16gb), 18 times larger than Barracuda
- Prudhoe Bay (13gb), 15 times larger than Barracuda
- East Texas (6gb), 7 times larger.
- etc, etc
For those wondering, here's the problem of declining field discoveries:
Source: Jean Lahererre.
Secondly, given Dr Corsi's recent history of involvement with well-funded extreme right-wing causes, are we seeing the start of a comparable campaign against peak oil? I wonder is he acting alone here? Besides the Swift-boat attacks on Senator Kerry, the Asia Times reports on his work attempting to undermine the Iranian government (not that I'm any fan of that regime), for which he was thanked by both President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
Media Matters for America documents some of Dr Corsi's past public opinions:
On Islam and Arabs(This is just a small selection - there's a lot more of the same flavor, and they extend over several years). Media Matters also has an interesting audio clip of Dr Corsi apologizing for these comments, and claiming they were all jokes, which was covered in the Washington Post, the Associated Press, and elsewhere.CORSI: Let's see exactly why it isn't the case that Islam is a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion? Where's the proof to the contrary? (04/24/2004)
CORSI: Islam is like a virus -- it affects the mind -- maybe even better as an analogy -- it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects... No doctor would hesitate to eliminate cancer cells from the body. (11/26/02)
On Senator John Kerry:
CORSI: After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal gradparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry? (03/04/2004)
CORSI: Kerry has a long history of Communist supporters. (03/12/2004)
CORSI: Kerry offers a clear choice. Anti-American hatred. (02/08/2004)
CORSI: John F*ing Commie Kerry and Commie Ted [Kennedy] discuss their plan to hand America over to our nation's enemies. (02/04/2004)
On Senator Hillary Clinton
CORSI: HELL-ary loves the Arabs so much (kiss, kiss Mrs. Arab*RAT) -- wonder how she would look in a Burkha? (05/21/2002)
CORSI: Mullah Ali'Gore-ah is very proud of his new Bin Laden beard and he hopes others in the Democratic Party will follow his lead. Hell-ary is disappointed she cannot grow a beard, but her press secretary reminds us she can still enroll in flight school. (01/07/02)
CORSI: Did the Journalist see Chubbie Chelsea among the wives. Little Katie Communist [Katie Couric] on the NBC Today show interviewed Hillary this morning and mom is worried sick about Chelsea. She was last seen in Kandahar at a Starbucks. But now, as Little Katie Communist sighed, "Who Knows?" Even British disinformation planted reports such as this grocery crap will be useful. Anyone with information about Chubbie Chelsea's whereabouts should post it now. Mom wants to know her daughter is out of harms way. Mom also wants to be at the center of the story. (11/29/2001)
Part of Dr Corsi's agenda seems to be to suggest that Peak Oil is a left wing movement (a point he expanded on last night). This simply is not the case. While there certainly are left wing peak oilers such as Richard Heinberg, believers in peak oil include the conservative republican Roscoe Bartlett, good capitalist economists such as James Hamilton, republican investment banker Matt Simmons, and that's not to even start on the neofascists. Peak Oil totally crosses the political spectrum, and I don't think Dr Corsi is going to make that particular framing of the debate stick, though I think we can expect him and whoever his allies turn out to be to make a vigorous effort.
If indeed the Swiftboating of Peak Oil is beginning, it is striking that the arguments are so very weak, and the champion so lacking in credibility. Is this really the best they can do? If so, it suggests things might be about to get very ugly, as mud is thrown in all directions in a desperate attempt to disguise the paucity of their position.
So it would be the right thing to keep trying to educate people on the issue, but if we really were fighting a concerted attempt by "the powers that be", including the main stream media, then what would be the right strategy?
Personally, I am pessimistic that our society will do much of anything in anticipation of this coming crisis, so I'll look at this as just another test of my opinion. Didn't Matt Simmons participate in Cheney's energy policy? From this and most of the actions, clearly they know about peak oil. If letting the public in on the idea was something they wanted, it could have happened long ago. And if that line of reasoning is logical, then clearly these types of tactics should show up as soon as the issue gains any public traction.
So my conclusion is that is the swift boat stuff is happening, then we know at once that PO is real, that a certain group does not want it to be publicized, and we know who that group is.
However, if PO is real (and I am afraid it is, but I hope it is not), then no amount of rhetoric will solve it.
There is a big difference between Swift-Boat-lookalike-talk about policts on one hand, and Swift-boat-lookalike-talk about PO. The biggest one being: The price of Gas and or NG.
Pity is though that talks like this influences people and keep them from taking action. Although even that is not as strong as I would have guessed: SUV sales are down significantly (al-be-it for multiple reasons)
So perhaps Corsi thinks if someone in denial about PO wants to buy a book to reinforce their opinions, why shouldn't he be there to sell it to them?
Otherwise, just another extremist hatchet man for hire I think.
The poll numbers suggest they will succeed. The recent Pew Poll showed that 57% of the public feels that energy is more important than the environment.
Corsi: Why aren't we resolved to become oil independent by exploring offshore oil with the aggressive resolve demonstrated by Petrobras? Our problem seems to be that the current coalition of radical environmentalists...
Simmons: While it is politically popular to attack the need to open up a few thousand acres of ANWR, this important area could create several hundred thousand barrels a day of extra oil and natural gas, and possibly even far more. So it is too important to abandon. It is time for ANWR's opponents to stop broadcasting photographs of pristine alpine mountain meadows of areas within the 19 million acre reserve which happen to be hundreds of miles away from where any oil and gas development would ever take place.
While there are significant differences between Corsi and Simmons, they are mostly cosmetic. They have the same underlying political agenda: scapegoating the greens and NIMBYs as the cause of energy shortages in the U.S., and lifting restrictions on drilling within the U.S.
Why don't you folks sponsor a debate between Simmons and Heinberg on the topic "Should we drill ANWR, Lease Area 181, and the continental shelf ASAP?" That would be very educational. Corsi will be sitting in Simmons' corner. How about you guys?
I'm here to tell you: Matt Simmons doesn't "get" peak oil. He's pro-car, and has stated numerous times that SUVs aren't a problem. He's pro-growth. As an investment banker, he fully supports our current growth-based economic system. He doesn't give a crap about global warming, as demonstrated by his calls to drill ANWR ASAP.
The recent Denver conference was very telling. They give an extractionist like Simmons a trophy, and insult Darley on the podium. The suits are co-opting peak oil, and purging the environmental/conservation/powerdown crazies who (they believe) are the real cause of the problem.
At some point, you Oil Drum folks are going to have to get off the fence, and choose which side you are on: the suits, or the greens. I think you're firmly in the suit camp at the moment.
Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah...
JUDITH:
Splitters.
P.F.J.:
Splitters...
FRANCIS:
And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
What?
LORETTA:
The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
He's over there.
P.F.J.:
Splitter!
Sentimentally, I like the pristine pictures.
Environmentally, would it really be drilling? Wouldn't the extraction method be pit or strip mining? Drilling doesn't sound so bad, but mining, then years of cooking the kerogen, then refining is a huge environmental concern. Is the energy worth that sort of damage?
Practically, I wonder if the EROEI is even cost effective.
Rep. Bartlett wants to save ANWR for a rainy day, but I do wonder who will be left on that rainy day.
I don't think he knows quite what the hell to do, and I join him in that camp, but he definitely understands the problem.
That's good to know. But then why drill ANWR ASAP? Isn't that exactly the opposite of what you would do if you understood the problem? Why increase pollution and burn through oil ASAP? That is the problem, not the solution to the problem.
It doesn't make any sense.
With the same success you can claim that G.W.Bush agrees 100% with Adolf Hitler on the point that a country must have strong military. So... what is the conclusion? Are they from the same party or what?
I am sure that we will be forced to take these two paths anyway and better soon then later. BUT I am perfectly aware that both of them represent some kind of compromises. We are buying time not to face the fact that we are slowly cutting the brach we sit on, and this is the much more important issue in the long run. Indeed there are some extremists that would rather see our whole system collapsing (and the sooner, the better) but I do not tend to join... After Rome the dark ages continued more than 10 centuries; without easily reachable fossil fuels how long will the next dark ages last? Will there be a way out of it? I can not be sure...
Sentimentally, I like the pristine pictures.
Environmentally, would it really be drilling? Wouldn't the extraction method be pit or strip mining? Drilling doesn't sound so bad, but mining, then years of cooking the kerogen, then refining is a huge environmental concern. Is the energy worth that sort of damage?
Practically, I wonder if the EROEI is even cost effective.
Rep. Bartlett wants to save ANWR for a rainy day, but I do wonder who will be left on that rainy day.
Godwin's Law - even though you're right, you lose, LevinK
I personally think that you could have made the same point with Attila the Hun or Jabba the Hut, or, for that matter, Judy Miller
But if you take a deeper look you will see that I did not make a comparison. Just the opposite - I was arguing against frivolous comparisons and associations put outside of their context.
Honestly, I get your point, and your further point - it's just that this thread is now over 100 comments (on an article pulled off the source site, no less), much of it OT rambling, and surely it proves Godwin's Law as well as Corsi's argument proves abiotic. (Godwin's Law includes factor n, and I think we're at n+ on this topic.)
A classic statement of the extractionist/suit approach to peak oil. We need rigs to put a dent in peak oil.
Peak oil (and global warming) require a demand response, not a supply response, and the sooner we realize that, the better off we'll be.
We have more than enough pens in Washington and the statehouses to do the following:
Employer trip reduction
Area-wide ridesharing
Public transit improvements
HOV lanes
Park and ride lots
Bike and walk facilities
Parking pricing at work
Parking pricing: non-work
Congestion pricing
Compressed work weak
Telecommuting
Land use planning
Smog/VMT(Vehicle Miles Traveled) tax
Public appeals to reduce consumption without price effects
Public appeals to reduce consumption with price effects
Ban on motor sports events
Ban on driving by car to large scale events
Speed restrictions
Ban on driving every second Sunday
Ban on driving every second Weekend
General ban on Sunday driving
Restriction on use by administrative degree (public authorities set days on which drivers are banned)
Restriction on use by registration number (on each weekday two final registration numbers banned)
Implementation of fuel supply ordinance (rationing)
Saving Oil In Hurry, P. 27 (IEA)
Yes, conservation is where the effort should be spent, not futile efforts to extend an ultimately doomed supply (whether it be 2005 or 2012) - especially by damaging the environment to do it. You claim to be an optimist - if you can maintain that outlook in the face of all that has happened in the last 5 yrs (I would go back farther than that actually), then indeed you are. I'm not. I'd jump for joy to see some serious national programs to promote conservation and environmental stewardship, but it ain't gonna happen. And that is why I am interested in supply - not because I think we should even try to increase it - but because I'm trying to figure out when the delta between supply and demand will be great enough to cause major problems. And I do not believe significant reductions in demand will happen anywhere near as easily as you do.
BTW, you should not assume that everyone at TOD is a Cheney wannabe or budding neofascist. It's untrue and insulting. If you'd can the attitude, I might actually find your posts to be worthwhile, and you might find you have common ground with more people here than you think (wouldn't that be the optimistic perspective?).
The House killed the republican attempt to drill ANWR last week. How did that happen, if 'it ain't gonna happen?'
The idea that "saving the environment is impossible" doesn't sound like a very good starting point for action on the environment. It's similar to silent collusion -- watching a crime, but not calling for help. There's not that much difference between "we should drill protected areas" and "we will drill protected areas".
One can step back and view the situation from many different angles:
It's hardly over yet. It will now go to committee; where such unpopular things can get put back in without so much public scrutiny. And even if it doesn't happen this time, it will only take another dollar or two per gallon to soften people up enough. We can call it the "Healthy Alaska" initiative.
There's not that much difference between "we should drill protected areas" and "we will drill protected areas".
Bull. Your assumption is that I would give up fighting against it just because I think it is probably hopeless. Look around you - environmentalists and conservationists have been crushed on almost every issue for years. Even the small efforts Clinton took have been largely rolled back. And as people's lives get more difficult, do you think they'll be more interested in the environment? Probably what would be most helpful environmentally would be for change to come slowly, and for people not to get spooked, but since we are not doing anything in that regard I am not hopeful. That does not mean for a moment that I will give up.
But so what?
You don't pick your mates on the Life Boat.
Be glad you're still in the boat.
Tomorrow, after we survive, then we can go back to squabbling over whether the egg is best broken near the big end or the little end.
(As did the Liliputians in Gulliver's Travels)
So yeah, JD, all those things could be done but do you really expect them to be done without the nation first experiencing a crisis of major magnitude?
This is the frustrating thing about peak oil and even about global warming - we can solve these problems right now. It does require changes in lifestyles. It does require changes in the economy (like beginning to retire the consumer economy). It's all doable. Yet year after year we drag our feet, greenhouse gases continue to accumulate, and global warming's effects grow larger and more obvious.
The problem is not technically solving the question, JD. The problem is socially solving the question. While you can lead the public to water, you can't make them drink. The larger problem is education. Solve that and we're home free. But if you don't, we'll keep sending troops to die in oil rich locations in a vain effort to prop up the current way of life until it just cannot be propped up anymore. As a culture, industrial civilization is behaving like Jared Diamond's Easter Islanders - determined to cut down that last tree and the future be damned. Let's just hope we are not left with the same choices as the Easter Islanders, namely eating one another until no one is left.
The question is not "Can we solve the problem?" Rather, the real question is "Will we solve the problem?" And I remain pessimistic about the real question.
this doesn't require much in the way of money if you turn existing lanes into HOV lanes. what this will cost is political capital. it seems like the political will to get the mentioned list accomplished along with other needed changes is what's lacking. are you telling me that there is not one person in america with the guts and the knowledge and the character to lead this change? or maybe we WILL have to wait until the pain sets into the public in a more really way before true leadership stands up. i think the best we can do is have some answers ready for that day and push for intelligent, responsive leadership- not reactionary dictators.
And that's my point - it's all technically solvable just as we could have been on Mars 20 years ago was a technically solvable problem. The problem almost always boils down to lack of political will to do a thing (regardless of what that thing is).
Look at the simple problems even, such as solving the health care crisis in the US and our inability to address even that. Again, it's not a question of can we but will we? When I see us foundering of the small stuff, I just cannot bring myself to have faith that we'll somehow miraculously manage the big stuff.
There is a sort of chicken and egg problem here. A politician cannot get too far ahead of the people, but can work behind the scenes to prepare the people so that they are ready for something. The lazy and less couragous politicians simply wait for the winds of change to start to blow before doing anything, but even that is an oversimplification. There is plenty of blame to go around without trying to lay blame entirely on the backs of politicians.
I've been a ditch digger before, I can do it again.
So few people even know where oil comes from to make any real difference to western ways of life. I have asked people about Peak Oil and tried to inform them, in almost all cases the average man on the street just doesn't understand either the enormity of the problem OR what part they play in it...! The ONLY thing that will turn their heads is real pain in the form of severe economic problems or worse, I can't see meaningfull change until well after Peak Oil has passed at which time it will be too late to mitigate the fallout to any large extent. That is no excuse not to try but I for one intend making whatever plans I can to reduce the impact on myself and my family.
Politicians cannot help here, they are servants to the public, until the public have realised and acknowledged the problem attempting to make the hard choices required would simply lead to the parties concerned losing control.
(btw someone tell me how that is even possible to reduce our foreign oil dependence, absent a great depression? pols like Hillary use this dependence issue as a generic talking point, as if simply passing some piece of legislation could make this actually happen and thus make all well on the energy front).
This guy Raymond Learsy poo-poo's peak oil; he blames the evil OPEC cartel for creating false scarcity:
http://www.financialsense.com/Experts/2005/Learsy.html
His ideas may become very convenient for politicians; it's always easier for pols to play the blame (someone else) game, and implement 'solutions' like windfall profit taxes, make threats to OPEC, etc. as opposed to facing up to actual unavoidable reality.
If gasoline prices reach $8 per gallon in the US, however, it would mean prices in the general range of EUR 2.5 per litre here. THAT would certainly cause demand destruction even here.
I was actually thinking about these 4-5 billion people or so, that live with some 5$ a day or less. Obviously if the world-wide price of gasoline (without taxes) reaches 8$ per gallon we will have to somehow persuade them to live without oil... which will not be that easy I guess. I'd expect some kind of revolution to happen long before that.
BP is out there on the airwaves advertising like crazy
that they are the "Beyond Petroleum" company.
I think blogs like TOD do have an effect.
Companies and politicians do not want to face Blog-Barassment (being embarassed by having been scooped by the blog community the way Dan Rather of CBS went down with that obviously forged letter re Bush & National Guard).
To avoid the appearance of having been caught with their pants down, companies like BP and Chevron are out there, sending mixed messages on how they are the good guys, so people won't blame them when the SHTF (sh*t hits the fan)
I myself have become very interested in the question of how and where petroleum formed and have an open enough mind to allow for the possibility that oil may have been formed in a manner different from that described in geology textbooks. However, and this is the thing that is so hard to explain to people with zero technical background, whether oil was formed from living matter or abiotically has little if any bearing on the issue of declining production and the difficulty in extracting a viscous liquid from a marginally porous rock formation several miles deep.
A main argument of the abiotic proponents is that established petroleum geologists have been so indoctrinated by the biotic theory that they restrict their explorations to sedimentary formations consistent with that theory and refrain from exploring those formations consistent with the abiotic theory. In short, they are saying that we simply aren't looking in the right places.
While this can easily be refuted by a knowlegable petroleum geologist, the discussion gets very technical and that's where you lose the attention of the general public.
I fear these arguments are going to become less technical and more ideological and political. The public will be pursuaded by the party that has the best rhetorical skills and the best PR instincts. Unfortunately, petroleum geologists aren't famous for either.
The reason I'm now focusing mostly on how I will prepare for my family and myself is that I have no faith that the society at large will prepare at all - in fact it seems there are interests that are actively discouraging any attempt to inform the public. There are many reasons this could be happening, but I really don't care what they are, the end result will be the same. I'm just trying to do my best to figure out what the conditions are going to be.
It's not that I don't care what happens to everyone else - I'm not that callous, or foolish enough to think I can survive without a social network. But realistically, getting the truth out will be an uphill battle even without active disinformation.
This is the heart of the problem. Try and converse with people on complicated subjects and you've lost them. Building an argument of data sets supporting hypotheses and then extrapolating to a new conclusion is very difficult with most people. My experience is that very few people can keep track of the facts from beginning to end, or want to make the effort.
Logical arguments don't mean anything anymore. Catch phrases and emotional messages are driving decisions. Many of these decisions are truely irrational, if looked at closely. Having a national education program about peak oil in the face of short emotional messages stating the opposite is doomed to fail. We are a nation ripe for propaganda.
Of course, the second easy point is that, 100 years ago, wannabe geologists had no idea where oil came from, or what kind of rocks to look for. They looked everywhere. It was only after a few successes, and far more failures, that they began to see a pattern, and this pattern led to what became petroleum geology. Indeed, it was just this kind of trial and error that early hunters utilized as they searched for all underground resources.
Hats off to those spending their time trying to warn others of the interesting times to come. Many don't have the time and/or interest to listen, but many others will. I suspect the two things most common to both teachers and listeners are age and education - my guess is that most are retired and have degrees.
Extending the idea, recharge rates of depleted helium reserves should set some sort of limit on recharge rates of oil reserves through the abiotic mechanism.
Everytime we start to address the issues these crackpots raise we give them some credibility. Best to ignore them in my opinion. As opposed to the "intelligent design" question, Peak Oil is going to prove itself (or not) in a relatively short period of time, and the crackpots will be standing around without clothes in a blizzard.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051115/sc_nm/energy_australia_dc;_ylt=Al0Rbl38937X2CSncDTt_WIhANEA;_ylu =X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Regardless of whether this particular one would work, to those paying only casual attention, the message from the constant parade of stories is clear - "don't worry, technology will save us". As this fits with what most people already believe, it will be hard to counter.
Hopefully, someday we will have a much more diverse energy system, even if it is smaller. What makes sense in one region may not work in another.
One advantage of converting everything to a common energy format (i.e. electricity) is that much of the infrastructure can be the same, even if the source is not.
The Crackpot
See World Net Daily, news source of the lunatic fringe, for a list of his articles.
Fat man wants to blow up Iran real good.
Firetruck!
John Kerry bad. He stole my shoe.
Sedimentary rock is far away the best rock type for migrating oil, accumulating it and trapping it. There are some exceptions, but 99.99% of the time, even these igneous traps have their fractures filled with sand (sedimentary) or other rock.
Most igneous rock is incapable of developing sufficient sealing mechanisms to trap large accumulations. Outside of cracks, there is very little permeability to igneous rocks. Volcanic breccia and pumice have porosity, but little permeability unless incorporated into some type of metamorphic. Sedimentary rock, with it's planar nature, is much more effective at generating traps and allowing accumulation of oil or gas.
We WISH that oil and gas were abiotic - that would mean we have only scratched the surface. But the weight of science, in particular respects Shell's success at generating oil in-situ from source rocks, is behind a biogenic origin for both oil and gas. The inability of igneous rock to retain hydrocarbons or allow migration without loss points to sedimentary basins as the best prospecting zones, regardless of origin.
For TOD reader out there who have technical degrees (physics, chem, engineering, etc.):
You fail to understand.
When you went into tech school, "they" screwed with your brain. You walked out a different person.
You walked out knowing about "conservation of mass and energy".
You walked out knowing about "thermodynamics".
Average man or woman on the street doesn't know, doesn't care.
As far as they are concerned, it would be perfectly fine if the Earth were Flat instead of round.
Why do you think they buy into Intelligent Design?
Talking tech to them does not work.
They respond to FUD (fear, uncertainty & doubt)
Example:
"Experts fear energy prices will never return to pre-9/11 norms."
Well Duh! Between 3 semesters of calculus, 2 of physics, chemestry THEN differential equations, thermodynamics and fluid dymanics BEFORE you even start the core classes; who would not be screwed up in the head?
Honestly, I find it troubling how few engineers do not think outside their 'comfort zone' of the day-to-day grind. We are trained in analysis and problem solving but it is a rare engineer who uses these skills.
The point was not that we should empathize with each other, that we should sing "The Blues" back to our own choir.
Like you, I have way too many credit hours in all these areas.
I speak to disgruntled engineers every day.
OK, the Brave New Dot.com World did not pan out. One of the reasons is because the vast majority of the "They" who share this Earth with us have no clue about the usefulness of one Java scripting approach over another. It's all gibberish to "Them". That's why they don't buy it. Ain't no use to Them.
Same thing with "Peak Oil".
Much of what we discuss at TOD is all gibberish to the "Them" that cast most of the votes.
"They" are not buying it.
The reason is because their brains were not scrambled the same way ours were.
If you hope to connect with "Them", it's got to be at their level.
Fear
Doubt
Uncertainty
Why do you think politicians operate at this level? They understand.
You got to make the right kind of attention-getting noises:
"Panic-dem-monium".
Influence-demma.
Bird Flu. You gonna die!!!
Terrorists. (You gonna die!!!)
"Weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION" (You gonna die!!!)
"Mushroom Cloud Monday Morning" (You gonna die!!!)
Ultimate sacrifice. (You gonna die!!!)
9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11
It is these kinds of embedded noise codes that move the herd.
Discussing the tail slope rate of the logistics curve (Hubbert's curve) puts "Them" to sleep. You might as well sing Lullaby Baby to them.
I know someone who discovered empirically that if you get something like 7 people to click on the "report this" button that says a review is inappropriate, that it would automatically disappear.
I haven't tested this theory myself - while I disagree with the other reviews there for this book, there aren't any that in a strict sense are inappropriate.
Sometimes, there is justice in life. Well done Mike.
Even if the abiotic theory turns out to be correct, subsurface oil, regardless of whether it is biotic or abiotic, is still subject to some serious very mass transfer constraints in getting from 'way down there' to 'way up here' in anything shorter than a geologic time scale. Those gazillions of barrels of abiotic oil ain't going to do us any good if it finally migrates up to the surface 10 million years from now.
Based on my experience in the environmental field dealing with shallow subsurface ground water contamination, I am amazed at how many people, some with advance business degrees, are completely ignorant of even the most basic principles of geology and ground water. Some think that ground water comes from underground pools or flowing streams rather than from porous formations. So, it is well not to underestimate the uphill battle one will encounter in trying to answer the popular abiotic argument with real facts.
If people really want to believe something, facts will seldom get in the way.
One of my pet peeves.
This is an interesting question. Certainly, no one will profit from abiotic oil since there isn't any. So what is the motivation? What I see is that conventional oil sources (offshore Vietnam and Brazil) are analyzed as abiotic in origin by Smith and Corsi. Aside from the fact that these claims are just pure fantasy, there is either some financial angle (which I can't yet see) or else they're just crazy and find peak oil theories very threatening. Corsi's background supports the latter view. I don't see how conversion to alternative fuel sources could be going much slower than it is at this point. So, I don't believe that theory. If they are trying to promote further conventional oil production, that's just "carrying coals to Newcastle" as the expression goes.
Right there you've got all of OPEC, the oil companies, the oil-services companies including Halliburton... which also looks to be the list of people who own the current administration.
It explains too much to be completely wrong.
I then described alternatives to oil and NG, particularly tar sands, oil shale and hydrogen, and their comparative EROEI and effectiveness for transportation. Having kept up with TOD helped me toss around names and facts in a most impressive fashion. I closed by urging us all to pay more attention to our LEED certification and to be prepared for the changing needs of our clients.
There were a few startled faces among the younger folk, but the partners seemed well aware of the issues. One mentioned a client that had nixed the initial cost of geothermal, but calculated a five-year payback after Katrina and Rita. Other clients now find LPG too expensive for heating. In any case, no one jumped on a table to shout about abiotic oil, or denounce me as an environmental wacko, so that is a good sign.
That by itself is amazing.
Even incredibly smart and technical people I know believe in abiotic oil and in the theory of large numbers. The large numbers theory says: there is sooo much oil out there that no way will "we" run out in our lifetimes. Most of the responses I get are noise ones: cluck cluck, you're a chicken little.
In so far as saying Chicken Little was always wrong, we can finally debunk that one:
The proof is here that at least for one week, CL was right:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/11/13/boxoffice.ap/index.html
Now how do we get a Twilight in the Desert
Oil derrick over his head?
So that the movie-going masses "under-stand-imate" the Peak Oil situation.
Someone is smoking out of their own butt:
Look Here
And what if that abiotic oil produced long ago only migrates upward into existing shallow reserves when the oil in those reserves is extracted, thus making new room for the abiotic stuff coming up from below? Would that not explain why we are not swimming in millions of years' accumulation of abiotic oil?
Mind you, I'm not claiming any of these hypotheses to be the case, but I only throw it out as something an abiotic true believer might argue.
Do you think most of them even know what you're talking about when you speak of 'structural traps' and 'movement due to oil's bouyancy over water'? The idea is that there is boundless amounts of the stuff way down there, so it's only a matter of getting to. End of problem!
By the way, this is not the first time that I've encountered an intersection of strongly fundamental Christrian neo-conservatives and the abiotic theory. Coincidence? I think not. This may be just another manifestation of their faith that 'God will provide for the righteous.' But who can say for sure.
In any event, the point I want to make is that bringing the abiotic vs biotic question into a context where the relative merits can be debated in a non-political and non-ideological manner is going to be a long uphill battle.
This quote is pretty funny really.
The real reason they are becoming energy independent?
They use plants.
From LA Times
"Today about 40% of all the fuel that Brazilians pump into their vehicles is ethanol, known here as alcohol, compared with about 3% in the United States. No other nation is using ethanol on such a vast scale. The change wasn't easy or cheap. But 30 years later, Brazil is reaping the return on its investment in energy security while the U.S. writes checks for $50-a-barrel foreign oil."
The 'return' on investment should include a component for the deforestation effect, which appears to be significant in Brazil (58% of original forests are gone).
Perhaps the Easter Island Environment Office could provide the parameters for the complete model.
PNAC, writings of Strauss, and Bush-Cheney energy plan.
Of important note is said energy plan. Created between people in power, oil execs, and people who knew of peak oil, this document is classified despite the freedom of information act. The administration has fought very hard to prevent the contents of this document from being known.
Also, of critical importance is the Dollar-Euro battle and the role oil plays in this. (I cannot emphasize this enough)
If the U.S. wants to maintain 'Dollar hegemony' then the world must use oil, and it must be traded in terms of Dollars.
Ok, now I'm on a tangent. Basically the way I see it there are two paths. One natural market forces to do what they may, peak oil, economic decline whatever. The world will stop using the Dollar and the U.S. economy will collapse due to tremendous debt.
Two: (This is the path Bush and the neocons are taking) Ensure the world continues to use oil (and subsequently the Dollar). Fight like hell against anyone who wants to move away from the Dollar (Iraq, Iran). Keep the demand for oil strong for as long as possible (If countries can use alternative energy sources they have less need for oil, and subsequently the Dollar). The real fight is to keep the world addicted to oil; peak oil is just a nasty side effect, one which their current policy does not have the foresight to solve.
--Anonymous
I would say light299 has summed it all up quite succinctly. Except perhaps for the final thought. Wouldn't it be a logical conclusion that PO isn't a problem to them, but rather a fortuitous gift from Ma Nature. Provided they can keep any and all non-dollar oil bourses from opening, the Almighty Dollar gets more powerful every year. That means them who control the Almighty Dollar also get more powerful every year. What's not to like?
The problems their policies don't solve are yours and mine, and we already know how much they care about us and our problems.