Fantasy Writers Weigh In
Posted by Stuart Staniford on October 5, 2005 - 1:32pm
Not having read much fantasy fiction since I was a teenager, I wouldn't have looked to that quarter for inspiration, but I found this this essay at Energy Bulletin fascinating
For those of you who have been living under a rock these last few years, Lord of the Rings is an epic story by English don J.R.R. Tolkien; it is set in an imaginary world peopled by fairy-tale beings and beset by demonic evil. At least once a year I re-read it, enchanted by the tautly-told tale of small, stout-hearted people who, though perpetually on the brink of disaster, manage to snatch an improbable victory in the face of overwhelming odds though courage, loyalty, stealth and guile. By no means the least of their strengths is that they inhabit a higher moral plane than their terrible enemy. Thus when I learned of Peak Oil a few months ago, it was all very familiar.The whole thing at this link.I have no doubt that we humans are on the brink of a great change, or perhaps even a great disaster. As in Tolkien's book, the world as we know is coming to an end, for better or worse. Within my lifetime, what is left of it, most of what I have grown to know, if not love, will pass away, forever. I may not survive this change. You may not. Nothing is certain. On one side lies disaster, on the other only hope: Gandalf's `fool's hope' perhaps, but hope nonetheless and while there is hope we must struggle and perhaps, just perhaps, we will come at last, if not to the Quays of Avallone in the Undying Lands then to our warm and comfortable Hobbit-hole in the Shire.
For those without a penchant for fantasy, might I suggest this:
http://www.technocracyinc.org/?p=/documents/articles/hubbert-growth
It all boils down to a few simple things, and MKH fairly nails it down over a quarter century ago.
Now, we Uruk-Hai have killed the Ents, driven the Elves away, enslaved the Hobbits and taken all the Rings. But we're still running out of cheap fuels.
Thanks for posting this,
Torion
His "ring of power" he said, represents the machine. His story is about the rise of industrialism and its threat to nature and to human communities.
Great, great story...
Someone could get a PhD studying the combinatorial ways in which Tolkien has been interpreted. He was a bright guy all right. Bright enough to wrote a symbolic story that made it possible for people to interpret ad nauseum. Now we've got a peak oil interpretion. Yippee.
Why bring this to anyone's attention? Well because if we are going to be faced with a society under extreme stress then the message coming out of the Peak Oil community has to be one of mutual aid and enlightened humanism. I find it personally offensive that a whole people can be dismissed, criticised and scapegoated. Thankfully another anti-semite was chased out of this forum not so long ago. I would ask every one to marginalise any Peak Oilnik even showing the smallest signs of bigotry (and there will be lots of anti-China stuff very shortly no doubt).
As for Caryl Jonston...I challenge her to repost her final September diary entry that includes the stuff about jewish lies, deception and thirst for vengeance. So very quick to descend into anti-semitism and so very quick to try to profit from a pointless novel about Peak Oil.
Some people really called a peak then. Most peakoilers didn't, they were not sure. The statistics were not unambigous and many expected that some growth would still come, as it did. But nobody could at the time be really sure that this was not the Peak, either.
So we know what happens at the peak. It will not be noticed at first. And it will take a couple of years, may be more, to be sure that this was it. Even after that there was a lot of talk that the Peak will be a dramatic event and we don't know what happens after that.
There is more: the oil prices doubled from 1999 to 2000, as the production neared the top, but declined in 2001 and 2002, at the same time as the production declined. The prices started to rise again in 2003, as the production turned back to growth and the rise steepened in 2004 as the production growth achieved an exceptionally high level. So the pricing rises were associated to immediate the pre-top growth phase, not to the decline phase.
The intermediary production top in 2000 went unnoticed - no "post-petroleum collapse". But did not go without consequences. There was a recession (this caused the price fall), 9/11 and two wars started. The recession changed to recovery 2003-2003 as oil production started to grow. The wars go on.
The top in 2000 and decline in 2001-2002 were not clearly predicted. In 1999 the oil prices were down and were predicted to stay so. Instead there were increased volatility and rising prices. It was not possible to forecast the production and price changes even nearly accurately.
So now we know what to expect.
Thanks for the fantasy post! ;-)
In fact we had similar break in the world scale about 1972, after the first oil crisis. Everybody noticed the crisis but few still recognize the continuing trend change as a consequence of that.
The "Hubbert break" is interesting also from the viewpoint that we may see China being now near a similar point. The Chinese have been repeating the American growth history. Also their energy growth rate has been at the same level, recently nearly 10%. But the absolute volume is much higher. There are signs that this growth is not any more possible, so a trend break to lower growth may be coming. And it should also be noted that both the American "rapid growth period" in the end of the 19th century and the present Chinese growth are both based mainly on coal - not on oil.
It's a 48 page PDF, makes interesting reading but the jump ahead to a happy ending stretches credibility quite a bit.
I think articles like this one not only don't help the PO education effort, but actually hurt it slightly.
First of all, Tolkein has an interesting place as an author, in that a large percentage of mainstreamers know of him and/or his work, but have had their fill of both. This is no doubt due in large part to way people still fawn over the movies, and is not a comment on the man or his work; it's just an observation about people reaching their saturation level.
Second, this kind of extended riff on "look at what a Great Person said about stuff that has haunting similarities to our situation" convinces almost no one. It might play well with the already converted, but to many mainstreamers it sounds like a love child formed by the unholy union of a bad conspiracy theory and too many nights reading fantasy literature while stoned.
It could have been worse; imagine a Star Wars, Star Trek, tarot card, Nostradamus, or Babylon 5 version. If you just flinched, then you had exactly the same reaction I bet a lot of other people will have when reading the Ring article.
(Before you load up the catapult with a dead cow and aim it in my direction, let me say that I have a great love of fiction, particularly SF, albeit less so for fantasy. I'm a published SF writer, in fact, with three dreadful stories in Analog. So I'm not one of those two-dimension morons who "doesn't get" speculative fiction (SF&F); rather, I'm one one of those two-dimensional morons who likes it enough that I wanted to write it for a living, and actually convinced myselg it was a possible career path. What, you thought economists sat around all day arguing about demand curves and Fed. policy?)
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On a totally different topic, did anyone else notice that from the Sept. to Oct. newsletters ASPO pushed their PO estimate from 2007 to 2010? Must have been that case of 10W30 Colin Campbell found in his closet.
In point of fact, it reminded me of the correlation in ID-FSMism that graphs the number of pirates against global average temperature. It's fun to look at and it's a good tool for starting conversations, but I don't see any other real value beyond that.
Many economists write fiction for a living. Some even draw fiction-the Laffer curve was reportedly sketched on a dinner napkin. I'm just pleased to see an economist who is writing fiction by choice, and aware that he is doing so.
As for Tolkien, I don't think this piece will aid in education, but these sorts of analogies could help us cope. People think in narrative form, and fables and parables have been used as teaching tools for millennia.
We're going to need good examples and sources of hope. If we end up telling stories in a Jung-Campbell sacred mythology space to help us through, I'm ok with that.
I'm going to mention your comment at the next Super Secret Economists Meeting (held in a Motel 6 outside Jersey City), right after we sacrifice a goat and then roll naked in the still-warm ashes of a burned copy of the Communist Manifesto.
You should expect a visit from our enforcer, Adam "Fat Tony Canoli" Smith.
You can burn the Manifesto if you wish, but perhaps we shouldn't write off Marx entirely.
If I recall Das Kapital properly, Marx thought that capitalists got their capital by misappropriation. Then they substituted capital for labor, including their own work. Not only were they lazy, but they got returns they really didn't deserve. A generation of swine.
Consider our own use of fossil fuels, the greatest source of concentrated labor-substitute the world has ever seen. Certainly future generations will believe that we misappropriated oil and gas, a one-off capital acount given to humanity by nature. We got enormous returns (both wise and foolish) from the happy accident of fossil fuels, and flared off the fruits of millions of years in a couple of centuries.
And when the oil and gas is all gone, we'll have to substitute labor for the capital we squandered. One could write a sci-fi economic morality play as opium for the masses ...
"Thankfully another anti-semite was chased out of this forum not so long ago."
Could you provide the name of the "anti-semite", and why he was "chased out" of the forum. Just curious to know what it takes to be called an "anti-semite", and to be "chased out".
I suspect you may think I'm trying to shut off legitimate criticism (of Israel for instance) but that is not the case. If jews as a people are guilty of anything then everyone is guilty too. You can't generalize like Caryl Johnston does but then I think I know where she is headed and it isn't pretty.
I am a female with zero education and even less understanding of how the world works, but I am addicted to Oil Drum and in awe of many of the contributors.
I particularly loved the bit in this piece where he said
"It is these scientists and ecologists in whom we must place our trust and our hope: the good wizards or our age. We would like it if more of them were as inspiring as Gandalf, and less of them were given to droning about numbers and waving graphs in the air, but we must be guided by them and hope that the inspiration will come later."
I always wondered why the worlds portrayed in futuristic fantasies were always so energy intensive rather than the other way around.
Oh, but of course... "Technology will save us!"
And here is the problem. There have been very important energy-related large scale events but they have gone unnoticed. Even the tentative peak in 2000 did go unnoticed. These "great collapse - save-the-world solution" scenarios expect dramatic changes after the Peak Oil. They expect that people see the impacts immediately and subscribe to their pet solutions. Better still if they see the impacts in advance and start implementing the solutions now. The Peak Oil is just fine!
Still we know that this will not happen. It has not happened before. I bet that exactly these people don't see anything when the day finally comes. The world energy peak will be an all-important event. And its consequences will be immense. And just because they are so immense they will take time to show. In fact the consequences will be more deep and different than the simple "collapse scenarios" tell.
So we'll see. And think this: all these pre-made solutions are developed in a pre-Peak world.
Globalism has removed national checks and balances from many social and economic arenas, making us susceptible as a species to any upset. Peak Oil is a long term phenomenon, yet only the most severe symptoms elicit any type of response. I fear that response is going to be crippled due to these other pending issues. Peak Oil will unfold in slow motion, but it will inexorably unfold. The people are not yet united behind any specific cause to force our leaders to do the correct things, and so things grind forward and time to fix the problem slips through our fingers.
I hope more of you will read the Hubbert piece I linked to at the top of this thread....he is addressing a particular item, but he touches on several outlying issues that appear to coincide with each other today.
"Peak Oil is a long term phenomenon, yet only the most severe symptoms elicit any type of response." True, but it's worse than that. The symptoms are often misinterpreted ("Crude is expensive because of the refinery bottleneck."), and the response (if any) is often wrong ("Why conserve when we can drill ANWAR?")
..."response is going to be crippled..." Vision without money gets you nothing. Lots of money spent without vision will get you a Dept of Homeland Security, Katrina response, or Iraq. With neither vision nor money--well, yeah, our response will be suboptimal. TOD needs to work on the vision.
"Peak Oil will unfold in slow motion ..." I think this remains to be seen. It will certainly be inexorable, and long, but I'm not sure about slow. I think we can expect long, grinding decline punctuated by incidents of distressing speed. Could be supply shocks, whipsawing prices, national political events, geopolitical events, economic events. For example, if high gasoline prices kill General Motors, the ripples will be instant and huge.
Keep smiling!
Things are going badly, aren't they? Winter's not here yet but it's getting colder in Colorado....
best,
Part of my mood evolved after I was teaching a 2 day "Essentials of Marketing Management" course this week to 30-ish managers. In the section on analysis, I included slides on climate change and peak oil. In the pricing section, I talked about inflation which most of these guys have never seen. They took it all on board rather well, but were clearly unsettled by it all. Somebody has to do be the messenger with bad news, but it is a bit of a bummer.
I've actually been surprised at how resilient things look at the moment, but all of the underlying fundamentals look spectacularly bad to me. As many in PO circles say, I hope I'm wrong. Thanks for listening here at The Therapy Drum.