Drumbeat: October 10, 2012
Posted by Leanan on October 10, 2012 - 10:40am
OPEC says ample oil supply to persist in 2013
LONDON (Reuters) - OPEC trimmed its forecast for world oil demand growth in 2013 due to a slowing global economy and said it expected a trend for ample supply to persist, reinforcing its message that producers are doing enough to tackle high prices.The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, in a monthly report, trimmed its forecast for growth in world oil demand in 2013 by 30,000 barrels per day (bpd) to 780,000 bpd and said the risk remained skewed to the downside.
OPEC Raises Demand Forecast for Its Crude, Trims Other Suppliers
OPEC boosted estimates of the amount of crude it will need to supply next year after trimming forecasts for oil production from outside the group.The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries said in a monthly report that its 12 members will need to provide an average of 29.8 million barrels a day in 2013, about 200,000 more than estimated last month. The group reduced its forecast for output from outside the group for next year by the same amount, to 53.89 million barrels because of lower-than-expected growth in emerging nations. Still, world markets will remain “characterized by high volumes of crude supply and increasing production capacity,” the organization said.
Oil Declines From High as Crude Stocks Seen Rising
Oil traded near its highest in a week in New York as concern that political tension in the Middle East may curb crude exports countered signs that supplies are building up as the global recovery falters.Futures were little changed, having surged 3.4 percent yesterday after the Turkish army fired on Syrian artillery units and tanks for a sixth day, and U.S. President Barack Obama signed an executive order approving a framework for tighter sanctions on Iran. U.S. crude inventories probably rose 1.5 million barrels last week, according to a Bloomberg News survey before an Energy Department report tomorrow. The American Petroleum Institute will release separate data later today.
California Gasoline Falls From Record as Refiners Switch Fuel
Gasoline at the pump in California fell from a record as Valero Energy Corp. began making a cheaper blend of fuel at refineries near San Francisco and Los Angeles.
California voters only have themselves to blame for soaring pump prices
For years, California's gasoline supply chain has been tighter than just about every state except Hawaii, leaving motorists vulnerable to even minor crimps in the supply chain. That, along with the second-highest gasoline tax in the country, is why it costs more to fill up in California than it does elsewhere in the U.S.And the reasons are almost entirely the result of policies and regulations enacted at the behest of California's voters.
Russia's Gazprom Neft still interested in Kurdistan-source
(Reuters) - Gazprom Neft, the oil arm of Russia's top natural gas producer Gazprom, is still interested in Kurdistan's oil, a Gazprom Neft source said, rebutting reports it had frozen projects in the Iraqi province.
Gazprom to sell more LNG to South Korea's KOGAS
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Gazprom said on Tuesday it has signed an agreement to sell liquefied natural gas (LNG) to Korea Gas Corporation (KOGAS), as it strengthens its position in Asian markets.Gazprom Marketing & Trading Singapore, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Gazprom, said it will supply up to eight cargoes of LNG a year to KOGAS in 2013 and 2014, totalling up to 1 million tonnes over the two years.
Nigeria parliament seeks to inflate budget oil price
ABUJA Oct 10 (Reuters) - Nigeria's parliament speaker Aminu Tambuwal said on Wednesday the house had proposed to inflate cabinet's oil price assumption in the 2013 budget to $80 barrel, from $75 a barrel proposed, signalling a likely showdown over the bill.
Iraq expects oil growth to nearly double govt spending
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's expansion of its oil industry will let the government nearly double spending over the next three years, the deputy prime minister for energy said on Wednesday.The Iraqi parliament approved a budget of $100 billion for 2012 in February, based on an average oil price of $85 per barrel and 2.6 million bpd in exports.
Iraq Awards CH2M Water-Injection Oil Project, Replacing Exxon
Iraq awarded CH2M Hill a $170 million consultancy contract for a plan to inject water into southern oil fields to help further boost crude production, according to South Oil Co. Director General Dhia Jaafar.
Taqa all fired up over plan to power oilfields in southern Iraq
Abu Dhabi's power company plans to provide electricity to the oil sector in southern Iraq to help to fuel the nation's ambitious crude production targets.Abu Dhabi National Energy (Taqa) hopes by next year to announce the details of a power project at one of the south's massive oilfields.
Iraq Predicts Higher Oil Output than IEA
Iraq has predicted a much higher figure for its crude oil production in 2020 than the International Energy Agency as the country has serious plans to address infrastructure bottlenecks and increase export capacity.Hussein al-Shahristani, the country's Deputy Prime Minister for Energy Affairs, said Wednesday that Iraq is targeting to produce between 9 million and 10 million barrels a day by 2020, compared with IEA's prediction of 6.1 million barrels a day.
Chavez Election Victory Signals Accelerated Socialist Revolution
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s re-election and multiple cancer scares give the self-declared socialist momentum to accelerate state intervention in the economy after 14 years in power.Chavez, who won 55 percent of the vote in yesterday’s election, has nationalized more than 1,000 companies or their assets since taking office in 1999. With voters giving the former paratrooper another six-year term, he’ll probably push policies, such as currency controls and takeovers, that have driven away investors, according to analysts at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the Eurasia Group and Bank of America Corp.
Chevron loses bid against $18bn Ecuador fine
Oil giant Chevron has lost a US Supreme Court bid to block an $18.2bn judgement against it in Ecuador in a case over pollution in the Amazon jungle.The court did not give any explanation for Tuesday's decision, which rejected Chevron's appeal of a lower court ruling.
Europe rejects ban on Arctic oil drilling
The European parliament's industry committee has rejected attempts to introduce a moratorium on offshore oil and gas drilling in the Arctic, overruling a contrary vote by its environment committee last month.
Youngstown might OK ‘fracking’ for funds to raze houses
Youngstown needs money to demolish vacant buildings, so it’s turning to “fracking.”The Youngstown City Council is debating a proposal to combat blight by leasing the rights for oil and gas drilling under public land. The city has enough money to raze only 260 houses, with more than 5,000 other structures vacant or ready for demolition, Mayor Charles P. Sammarone said.
Tenn. regulator calls fracking opposition 'stupid'
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Handwritten notes from the state worker who supervises Tennessee's regulation of oil and gas production derided opponents of the hydraulic fracturing method of gas drilling as "stupid."
The other side of the fracking fight
NEW YORK STATE has become the country’s most intense battleground in the fight over unconventional natural-gas drilling, known as fracking. Now anti-fracking activists in the Empire State are claiming a victory. They ought to think twice about what they are wishing for.Those who would ban fracking or regulate it into oblivion ignore the exceptional benefits that inexpensive natural gas can provide in the biggest environmental fight of our time — against climate change.
German Day Ahead Electricity Falls on Weekly Solar Peak
German next-day power declined on rising supply as the week’s solar peak is forecast to occur tomorrow and cooler-than-average weather was predicted.Baseload day-ahead electricity, for supplies delivered around the clock, lost as much as 1.8 percent as peak solar generation is expected to advance to 15 gigawatts tomorrow, according to MVV Trading GmbH. That’s more than the average level of 3 gigawatts, according to data from Leipzig, Germany- based European Energy Exchange AG on Bloomberg.
New Tool Makes Saving Electricity Easier
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Thirty-one million American homes will be getting computer-friendly data about their electricity use from their utility companies, thanks to the work of the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) and a nudge from the White House.
“There’s No Economy on a Dead Planet”: Reflections on a Missing Election Issue
Listening to Mitt Romney and Barack Obama wonk back and forth on how to spark economic growth (a doctrinally sacred goal of American presidential candidates) during their first televised debate last week, I was reminded of a handmade poster held by a young woman protesting outside the global climate meetings in Copenhagen in December of 2009. “There’s No Economy,” the poster read, “on a Dead Planet.”
Kenya islanders rehabilitate their environment, lives
To deal with the worsening problems, Odula now trains farmers in permaculture (permanent agriculture), a concept that originated in Australia.Odula describes it as “a way of farming where people are able to provide food throughout the year while protecting the environment.”
Freezing temperatures prevent Alaska village from replenishing water tanks before winter
ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Inupiat Eskimo villagers in a small Alaska community are facing six long months of melting ice and snow nearly every time they want to cook a meal or bathe, after freezing temperatures hit before workers could fill the village’s two large storage tanks with water.
Cash-strapped farmers feed candy to cows
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Cattle farmers struggling with record corn prices are feeding their cows candy instead.That's right, candy. Cows are being fed chocolate bars, gummy worms, ice cream sprinkles, marshmallows, bits of hard candy and even powdered hot chocolate mix, according to cattle farmers, bovine nutritionists and commodities dealers.
ANALYSIS: Reducing world hunger - progress, need for more
LONDON (AlertNet) - There are fewer hungry people in the world than previously thought. That is one of the main messages from the latest assessment of global food insecurity published by U.N. agencies on Tuesday - which is good news but also a little confusing.
Hungry Africa's breadbasket needs to grow
Home-grown wheat could be the solution to a growing hunger problem in sub-Saharan Africa. The region is one of the few in which the number of undernourished people is rising, bucking a global trend. But a new analysis suggests wheat production there falls a long way short of what's possible.
Kashmiri farmers face drought losses without government support
CHAKOTHI, Pakistan (AlertNet) – The failure of Muhammad Saddique’s maize crop following a three-month drought has left him threatened with lack of food and economic ruin.But the government of Pakistani-administered Kashmir, where Saddique lives, seems unprepared and unable to help farmers like him adapt to changing weather patterns that are linked to climate change, he and other farmers say.
Rising food prices are climate change's first tangible bite into UK lives
Are rising bills at the supermarket checkout turning out to be the first tangible impact of climate change on the daily lives of all Britons? It very much seems so.The damage wreaked by the dismal summer of 2012 on UK harvests was revealed on Monday and will push food prices up. In these austere times, with food banks feeding the hungry, that is going to hurt.
‘Carbon markets on verge of collapse; require immediate rescue by nations’, suggests UN Panel
Carbon markets have proved instrumental for integrating the business community into the global effort to combat climate change through mitigation and in sensitizing the general public and nations alike about the issue. However, these markets are on the verge of collapse at present. The Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), a flexibility instrument created by the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, has been a key victim of such disintegration. The carbon prices have fallen by 70% in the last one year and seem likely to fall further. Additionally, the world is moving away from multilateral market schemes to regional/national systems, without much thought of integration and harmonisation between them.
Dutch architect dreams of future floating cities
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - When Koen Olthuis finally landed his first job after graduating as an architect, his new firm wouldn't let him work on the most historic or prestigious accounts in Amsterdam's 17th century centre. He got houseboats. Floating boxes.But the young Dutchman, who stems from boat building and architecture stock, dove right into his new job, and it wasn't long before he started making connections between the principles of a floating house, and the battle the Dutch have been waging against the sea to reclaim land and stay dry for 500 years.
Global warming could make washout UK summers the norm, study warns
A repeat of this year's washout summer is the last thing most people want from the English weather – but more of the same could be on the way, and could become the norm, a new study has warned, thanks to human activities warming the climate.
Supervisors back study of rising sea; Bay infrastructure threatened
The county is looking at ways to protect coastal communities on Humboldt Bay threatened by rising sea levels and aging dikes.The Board of Supervisors on Tuesday voted unanimously to support a recent application for a $250,000 Coastal Conservancy grant that would allow nonprofit Coastal Ecosystems Institute of Northern California to adapt planning and technical studies associated with sea level rise in Humboldt Bay.
Most Americans link weather to global warming - survey
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Nearly three-quarters of Americans say global warming influences U.S. weather and made this year's record-hot summer worse, a survey said on Tuesday.Conducted by Yale and George Mason universities, the survey found 74 percent of Americans believe that global warming is affecting weather, up 5 percentage points since March 2012, the last time the two organizations asked these questions.
Report: Climate change behind rise in weather disasters
The number of natural disasters per year has been rising dramatically on all continents since 1980, but the trend is steepest for North America where countries have been battered by hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, searing heat and drought, a new report says.The study being released today by Munich Re, the world's largest reinsurance firm, sees climate change driving the increase and predicts those influences will continue in years ahead, though a number of experts question that conclusion.
The new OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report is out this morning with crude only production numbers for OPEC and all OPEC nations.
According to "secondary sources" OPEC produced 31.078 million barrels per day in September. That is down 265 thousand barrels per day from last month. But the August production was revised down by 67 kb/d so that was actually a decline of 332 kb/d from the August unrevised numbers.
The big losers were Angola, down179.6 kb/d and Nigeria, down 136.6 kb/d. Venezuela was down 33.8 kb/d and Algeria was down 14.4 kb/d. The big gainers were Saudi Arabia, up 46.8 kb/d and Libya, up 21 kb/d.
Of course all those numbers were according to "secondary sources". It is very interesting that those sources say Saudi produced 9.807 mb/d in August and 9.854 mb/d in September. However the MOMR list what OPEC nations themselves say they produced.
Saudi said, via "Direct communication", that they only produced 7.753 mb/d in August and 9.724 mb/d in September. In other words Saudi says their production declined by 29 kb/d in September while "secondary sources" says their production increased by 47 kb/d.
This conflict in numbers is reported in The Gulf Oil Review.
Saudi Arabia Cuts Oil Production, Supply in September, GOR Says
They report both sets of numbers but do not tell us which numbers are more likely to be correct.
They are both imperfect numbers. The "secondary sources" numbers are best guess estimates and subject to revision. The self reported numbers are political. They are what the reporting country wants everyone to think they are producing. These numbers from Iran are inflated by about one million barrels per day and those from Venezuela are inflated by almost half a million barrels per day from the "secondary source" numbers.
Ron P.
Darwinian,
I recall that report recently about OPEC inflating reserve estimates too:
(The Peak of The Oil Lies, quoting Engineering News). TOD and its long time bloggers should be given the medal of honor for trying to wake the country up.
They are reporting (for political reasons) less than they are actually producing ?
Not necessarily. Some of the 12 OPEC nations might be telling the truth. I am only saying that both Iran and Venezuela are overstating their production for political reasons. Chavez wants to maintain that Venezuela is producing just a much oil as they were before he fired all the striking workers. And Iran wants to show that the embargo is having no effect.
I would bet however that the numbers coming out of Saudi and most other OPEC nations are pretty close to the truth. But I have no way of knowing that. Here are the numbers from both sources for August 2012 in kb/d. Four OPEC nations did not "Self Report" for September. While the Saudi difference was only -54 kb/d for August it was -130 kb/d for September.
Ron P.
Does Iraq really believe it can increase oil production by almost 1 million barrels/day every year over the next seven years?? Or are these guys living in a life of make believe just like us westerners.
Three years ago they were predicting 12Mbpd by 2020. They simply ignored the failure to ramp up production in the last 3 years (as much as they had predicted) and moved the line to the right.
No-one of any importance takes any notice of these figures.
Frugal, no, Iraq does not really believe they can increase oil production by almost 1 million barrels per day for the next seven years. They are a very smart people and to say that they really believed such a silly thing would be accusing them of being very dumb. That would be a serious mistake. There may be a bit of wishful thinking there but they know very well that it is an impossibility.
I lived in Saudi Arabia for five years and with the risk of being flamed I will tell you exactly what is happening. I have reported this Arab predilection before and was highly criticized for doing so. Nevertheless, having lived with Arabs for five years I understand. It is all explained in this PDF file.
Learning to Think Like an Arab
It is the US and European's strong desire to be politically correct that forces them to be totally blind to this Arabic tendency for exaggeration. They think it is an insult to accuse them of such. Exactly the opposite is true. They are proud of their language and all the things that go with it. Most of them think it hilarious as well as a bit stupid that Westerners take their every word for hard facts.
Ron P.
Ron - I've never lived in an Arab community so I can only take your word for their communication habits. But for 37 years I've been surrounded by oil patch upper management. This includes rubbing shoulders with many presidents and CEO's. And with few exceptions I've seen the exact same attitude you've described with the Arab folk. With one exception: "Most of them think it hilarious as well as a bit stupid that Westerners take their every word for hard facts." I have known a few pubco crooks who would readily make that statement. One came back from a trip to NYC where he collected $800,000 worth of warrants for his little pubic oil company he knew would be worthless. Buyers included his brother and nephew. But many of these corporate leaders actually believed their hype or at least wouldn't admit to their exaggerations. Many years ago I listened to one CEO who actually seemed earnest while defending a joint venture he ran that drilled 18 dry holes in a row. He was certain things "were about to turn around".
New source of oil found:
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Todd
Hmmm... Would that be snake oil?
I’ve worked with some folks who had questionable ethics but there was no question about his…he had none. I’ll spare the TODsters with endless stories about how sleazy he is. But late in the game I discovered he was running the oil patch equivalent of a ponzi game. But I messed up his plan: we were successful…I hit 23 out of 25 wildcats. The one thing his plan didn’t take into account. But despite my efforts I couldn’t get one person to file charges against him. For years afterwards I would bump into and he would look shocked. I think he expected to see a US marshal standing behind me. LOL
Why would they, they made money, probably thought he was a genius? Before his scheme collapsed people thought Ponzi was the greatest thing that ever happened, offering a way for everyone to become rich for nuthin.
Even after it blew up and some folks lost money they just gave up. And it was a pubco that went belly up and they did want to deal with the bankruptcy court or SEC. Under oath I could have crucified him but I could've get any to do it. And I had no standing so I couldn't. After 25 years it still irritates the heck out of me
That is a great link. Thanks.
Rgds
WeekendPeak
Thanks. That is the mother of all clarifications.
Darwinian,
"Shouby’s comments emphasize the important concept that the average Arab uses exaggeration and overemphasis without even being aware that he is doing it."
They have something in common with American politicians it would seem.
Rhetorically, what is an 'average Arab' ? and how does one average Arabs ?
If the Saudi's, for example, are such prolific liars, how do they manage their oil and gas production so efficiently ? I assert that lying, especially to oneself, would make that efficiency impossible.
It's a tricky art to generalize usefully, but there is such a thing as cultural differences, and we would all do well to understand them.
It's a bit like the extrapolation game we play with predictions here. There are ways to use trend data that has a truthful basis and can enlighten where we may be headed, and there are ways that it can simply offer us lazy mental shortcuts and stereotypes.
I have no reason not to listen well to Ron's experiences with the Saudis, etc.. It doesn't mean that other cultures don't also have places where they carry surprising assumptions within their communicating style, etc. Personality, Philosophy and Cultural Tendencies are filters that EVERYTHING else we do must pass through in the business of the day..
For starters Tony, nowhere in my post did I accuse the Saudis of being liars. I have accused OPEC members of lying about their reserves, but all of them are doing that, including the non-Arab countries like Iran. However being a liar has nothing to do with being an effective manager.
My post was all about the peculiarities of the Arab language, primarily their tendency to embellish or exaggerate. Surely one would not make the claim that such tendencies of their language would not make them poor managers. That would be a very absurd claim to make.
As to the Arab language and their tendency to embellish, this is something that everyone who has ever lived in an Arab nation realizes. There have been hundreds of essays on the subject. Every book that I have ever seen about Arab nations mentions this fact. To suggest that I just made up, which I think your post does, is very disingenuous. All you have to do is look it up. You will find many references to this tendency.
Cultural Influences on Intertemporal Reasoning
Ron P.
I agree with you as applied to managing a hedge fund. Mitt Romney clearly demonstrates that.
I have never seen an effective manager of oil reserves who could lie to himself long term and be an effective manager of an oil reservoir or oil reserves. Saudi Aramco has been effectively managing the largest oil reservoirs in the world for 75 years, about half of that time all by themselves.
Then you are accusing the Saudi's of telling the truth ?
Tony, now you are getting silly. My post made no accusations whatsoever, it simply pointed out a particular tendency in the Arab language. The article linked to in my post was a serious study prepared by the Office of Naval Research. I was only saying the exact same thing as they found in their study.
Ron P.
You refer to a study containing the term 'average' Arab ?
That is silly, not serious.
Also silly is your running away (ala Mitt Romney) from claims you have made over and over and over here on TOD.
And just what claims would those be? And what would you know about claims that I have made over and over. Your profile says you have been a member for 19 weeks. Do you go back a lot longer than that under another name? You remind me of someone else. Or perhaps you are that someone else.
Yes, I went back and looked at your post and you definitely have the same writing style, and doing the same thing that you did under a previous handle, always attacking what others write without offering anything of substance yourself.
Ron P.
I don't believe you are as dense as that question implies.
I am refering to your claim, made over and over on here, that: "they (the Saudi's) are lying". That should clear up any possible confusion.
The claim - that the Saudi's are lying - doesn't have substance. It amounts to an ad -Arabian-hominem.
Attack ? I assumed a sophisticated poster like yourself would realize that ala Mitt Romney means: according to the manner of (Mitt Romney).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xes3S40hmh0
You used to go by the handle of "River". Your name has changed but your style of posting has stayed the same. All you do is attack other posters but you never offer anything constructive yourself.
Yes, the six OPEC nations that report their proven reserves to be 100 billion barrels or more are lying. They are over stating their reserves by 70%.
Ron P.
I think it would be constructive to elevate the discussion out of the ad -Arabian-hominem gutter.
And since you brought it up, how can anything of benifit be constructed on the - we can't and we won't - foundation of doomerism ?
For a more accessable example of a culture that to at least a part share this feature, just grab a Bible. For just one example, Jesus said that Jerusalem would be destroyed and not two stones left on top of each other. Some people claim that this story was invented after the historical fact, but it sure does not have to be like so; the place was crowded with doomers at the time so even for one who does not accept prophecys, this may very well be an actuall event. Anyhow, as we all know the city was destroyed, but there was an entire wall, and most likekly ruins still identifyable, left behind after the roman pillage. So was Jesus wrong? No, but he was exaggerating. There are many such cases in the NT, and for us trained to understand texts litterally, this makes the reading difficult. To at least some degree, this is the same cultural feture in action.
Actually 9 to 10 mb/d by 2020 is a considerable downgrade from their previously estimated 12 mb/d by 2017 made in 2009.
Iraq retreats from ambitious oil plans, says will still play key role in world energy market
They are backing off in baby steps. They still have a lot of backing off yet to do. Their September Crude Only production was 3,129,000 bp/d. That's up about 600,000 bp/d from when they launched their grandiose infill drilling program in 2009.
Ron P.
Just some news from the front line. Not me but people i have bumped into who are/have been working in Iraq.
It seems the wells are being drilled but are waiting on take away capacity to catch up.
Trips to Basra for visas etc are in APCs, so security is being taken care, but the fact they require APCs is the worry to me.
It sounds better Nigeria, as I have not heard any reports of attacks or kidnapping on the crews. I hope it stays that way.
We will have to wait and see how it all turns out, but Iraq is not on my tourist list just yet.
Thanks for the info Toolpush. It is surprising that take away capacity is so difficult. There are already many old wells in the area. It would require just laying a pipeline to connect to those older pipelines, which should be nearby.
But the fact that they do require armored personnel carriers to travel in the area says a lot.
Ron P.
Old Army saying - "assumption is the mother of all (stuff)ups". And how about these assumptions as far as Iraq reaching 10mb/d?:
1. Half a trillion dollars in capital investment will find its way from an unraveling global financial system into the Iraqi energy infrastructure.
2. Global energy markets will miraculously stabilize and provide the necessary clear price signals for the next decade or so.
3. The Iraqi government will remain sufficiently stable for the next decade or so.
4. The Iraqi security situation will remain sufficiently stable for the next decade or so.
5. There will be no major wars or geopolitical upheavals in that part of the Middle East for the next decade or so.
6. ... and then a miracle happens ...
etc
Freezing temperatures prevent Alaska village from replenishing water tanks before winter, above: This one caught my attention since Kivalina is the village which is in the process of suing numerous entities for damages resulting from global warming:
Kivalina v. ExxonMobil Corporation, et al.
[bold added]
"political rather than legal issue"... jeez. The village is trying to get the funds it needs to relocate to higher ground. Since the village likely persists (as is) in part due to dividends from the state’s oil-wealth trust fund, it seems these folks have been forced to bite the hands that feed them. As the dividends are decreasing in recent years, one wonders how many of these remote settlements will survive.
Perhaps they should be suing Fox News, et al. as well :-/ I've thought about that myself.
Besides the eroding coastline and water problems, the inhabitants have also had to deal with a strange "orange goo":
Above: "Dutch architect dreams of future floating cities"
What about the supportive 'floating farms'?
The irony is that building floating cities will have the effect of raising sea level even more. Just sayin'...
True. But it would take an awful lot of them. Compare to several hundred cubic kilometers per year of glacial melt.
Ghung,
Yeah but "a rising tide floats all boats" /sarc
I just left the part of Holland that is below sea-level, I moved to +40 meters. Seemed like a better idea than to wait for floating cities :-) Plenty of dry farm land here too!
Dry farm land, you say? We have that in spades in the American Midwest.
Last I heard, we're some 20" behind in precipitation (annual) here in Oklahoma. And that's not counting last year, or the year before...
Sincerely, though, g'luck in your new digs :)
Re: Cash-strapped farmers feed candy to cows
When I was a kid in the happy 80ies, my uncle was an arendator at a farm outside my little home town. He bought basicly anything with an expiered best before date or other things that could not be sold on the market. Bread, cookies, candy... everything. And fed it to his cows. We boys used to bike to his place and enter the barn. Heaven for kids. Candy piled up along the walls. Cookies still edible. Tons of it. We ate us full with it. Or had candy wars. Great memories.
This is interesting, because I have heard corn ethanol advocates claim that removing the starches from corn and turning them into ethanol does nothing to the nutritional value of the corn. They make this claim to counter 'food versus fuel' claims by suggesting that the corn still has everything the cattle need, and that the ethanol is essentially just a bonus from the corn. I told them before that this necessarily removes calories, and that this had to be made up somewhere.
Corn ethanol plants using less energy but producing more ethanol per bushel
IIRC, a bushel of corn is 56 pounds, so the volume of distillers grains is only 37% of the corn that went into the distillery. This reference seems conservatively high, and you can find others that estimate 17 to 18 bushels of DG per bushel of corn.
The good news is that DG has about 125% the energy content of corn per Feeding Distiller’s Grains. So that means that we are up to about 46% of the energy of corn.
The bad news is that DG are high in protein, fat and possibly in sulfur and phosphorous. Therefore, the percentage DG used in the diet is limited and depends on the type of animal and its age and purpose.
"I have heard corn ethanol advocates claim that removing the starches from corn and turning them into ethanol does nothing to the nutritional value of the corn. "
If nutritional value is based on protein content, that is probably mostly true. Cows are not designed for high-starch diets. For that matter, people are not really designed for that even after 7,000 years of agriculture.
Corn is not particularly good cattle food since it is missing essential amino acids, vitamins, and minerals. What is is mostly used for is a source of calories to fatten the cattle, and making ethanol from it removes a lot of the calories from it.
"suggesting that the corn still has everything the cattle need"
The movie "King Corn" offers a different view. Intro at 41:44 on the slider: "Do you know anything about corn-fed beef? What it does to them?" At 46:09 on the slider: after a few months, they start getting sick. (The time on the counter is different than the time on the slider.) The acidosis will kill them.
What corn has become and how it is used was beyond my imaginings as a kid living near the edge of the cornfields in the San Fernando valley.
"King Corn" ...with commercials, but free:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/255609
K.D., I think that's also part of the reason why they feed them growth hormones -- they "grow up" faster and so can be slaughtered to make those tender, fatty-marbled steaks and roasts before they have time to get sick and die from eating too much corn. "King Corn" is a great movie! I saw it on PBS's "Independent Lens" and am glad to have the hulu link. Thanks.
OT
BTW, I think that they are now allowed to grow genetically modified sweet corn and sell it in the supermarkets, fresh or frozen or canned, in the U.S., and since Monsanto, et al., have to power to PREVENT labeling it as such, we will not know.
Most welcome!
California has Proposition 37 going up for vote: The California Right to Know Genetically Engineered Food Act.
Two Sides Prepare For Vote On Genetically Modified Labeling In Calif.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/08/30/160334028/two-sides-prepare-...
Prop. 37: Will California be first state to label genetically modified food?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/0820/Prop.-37-Will-Californi...
"So far supporters of the labeling measure have raised $3.4 million. The amount is dwarfed by the nearly $25 million raised by opponents. That includes Monsanto, Campbell's and General Mills..."
I just bought a candy bar here in the UK - an new brand at a pomotional price of half the normal. Turns out to be made by Hershey, shipped 4000 miles to the store, using ingredients including palm oil from who knows where and its details exactly which of the ingredients are of GM origin. In the UK it is a legal requirement to document GM content, and the large supermarkets refuse to use any GM ingredient in any of their own brand products.
I prefer to avoid GM foods, and I actively avoid 4000 mile diets. I won't be buying again..
I had no idea. We are generally not told these things here in the states. There used to be the BBC world news on public television, but that became "The BBC news for Public Television" which then no longer contained any information outside the script of American news.
On youtube with no commercials...in all countries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEyOdXjGIg4
That's great... Thanks!
Link up top: OPEC says ample oil supply to persist in 2013
That prediction was made in OPEC's MOMR, link in my first post above. In that same report they say non-OPEC supply is expected to increase by .9 mb/d. So they are saying that world oil demand is expected to increase by .78 mb/d next year while non-OPEC supply will increase by .9 mb/d.
That means OPEC is expecting OPEC supply to decrease by by about .12 mb/d in 2013. That may be splitting hairs a bit but at any rate they are expecting any and all increase in crude oil production to come from non-OPEC suppliers. I would place bets that OPEC has peaked.
OPEC Crude Only in kb/d. The last data point is September 2012.
Ron P.
Ron - Here's the same predicament I keep running onto: " OPEC kept its forecast for global oil demand in 2013 unchanged, predicting that consumption will increase by 780,000 barrels a day, or 0.9 percent, to 89.6 million a day". I read the article and there's no mention of the pricing for such a "demand" estimate. If oil averages $140/bbl in 2013 I seriously doubt OPEC will be selling 89.6 million bopd. Likewise if oil drops to $60/bbl I suspect the global demand will exceed 89.6 million bopd. Or maybe it won't if that price drop is the result of a global recession and significant decline in demand.
OPEC can make any projection about their future production capability. Only the KSA can really guess what their true limit may be. But demand is more complicated than just varying price expectations. If the KSA reduced prices significantly demand would exceed production capabilities. But if prices fall as a result of a global economic downturn then we would expect demand to crumble also. So predicting oil demand years out requires not only evaluation of the price vs. demand dynamic but also the price vs. economic activity dynamic. I'm sure some clever folks like you could construct such a complex model but that would only be a model based upon certain assumed conditions. But predicting what conditions will exist in years to come is another matter.
Rockman, that's one way of looking at it but I really don't see it that way. I think OPEC, or at least those OPEC folks who are responsible for making these prognostications, are assuming business as usual. They don't expect a deep recession or a great boom either. The world is in the mild doldrums and they expect it to remain so for another year.
After all, demand will really be whatever is produced. And I think that is what they are trying to predict...production. They expect OPEC production to be flat to down next year and they are hoping that non-OPEC can increase production slightly. That should keep prices, they believe, at between $100 and $120 a barrel. They believe that the marked can support that price range without causing the economy to collapse.
I do not believe non-OPEC production will be up .9 mb/d next year. But I must point out that the EIA's Short-Term Energy Outlook is out today and they are predicting that non-OPEC liquids will be up by 1.24 mb/d next year, from 52.53 mb/d to 53.77 mb/d. I think they expect most of that to be in NGLs but they don't break it out. They say that US liquids will be up from 10.90 mb/d to 11.44 mb/d. That's an increase of .54 mb/d or almost half the non-OPEC increase.
Ron P.
Ron - " I think OPEC, or at least those OPEC folks who are responsible for making these prognostications, are assuming business as usual." There's the problem, isn't it? When oil hit $147/bbl was that BAU? Or when it hit $38/bbl some months later? "And I think that is what they are trying to predict...production." I assume you mean production they will be selling. If oil goes to $150/bbl do you think they'll be selling what they project? Or if oil drops to $70/bbl are they going to produce all the world could buy? I don't believe you feel that have that much capacity.
We've talked about the equivalence of supply and demand before. They'll typically match because price will adjust with the dynamics of the situation. Which is why I'm suspicious of their definition of demand: they can change "demand" anytime they want by changing the price of oil. So are they predicting what demand will be or what they expect the world will be able to afford at the price they expect to see in the future?
Hi Rockman,
As Ron said, BAU from OPEC's perspective is that prices remain between 100 and 120 per barrel. Oil prices would only drop to lower levels if there was a deep recession. Oil prices would rise if demand rose more quickly than predicted due to a booming economy and as you suggest, the world would continue to be well supplied with $150 (or higher) oil.
The future cannot be predicted without making assumptions or guesses about the future of GDP and oil prices. These predictions only are accurate if one makes accurate assumptions, of course the model used has to be correct as well.
Clearly most of these forecasts or scenarios will be proven false.
I usually attempt to create high, medium and low scenarios and hope these cover the range of possible futures. If a worldwide economic collapse occurs, even my low scenarios would be too high.
DC
New reports from Chatham House ...
Oil Prices: Energy Investment, Political Stability in the Exporting Countries and OPEC's Dilemma
What Next for the Oil and Gas Industry?
Its members need higher prices, but these will cause demand to fall and other supplies, including unconventional resources, to increase. This will force prices lower.
Will it? Maybe in the short term, but prices will have to stay high to justify continued production from unconventional. I guess the argument could be made that once the industry is ramped up, incremental increases are cheaper per bbl (which we might be seeing in the oil sands now).
But it still comes down to rates - how quickly can unconventionals really be ramped up compared to the decline rate of existing fields?
Hillson – “Maybe in the short term, but prices will have to stay high to justify continued production from unconventional.” A valid point and proven just a few years ago by the bust in the dry shale plays like the Haynesville. But it’s difficult for folks to take into account the time lag. A great deal of NG being produced today will never return the original investment. But the cash flow is still positive so the NG flows. Complicating this dynamic is the NG yield from the oily fractured shales. So for now NG production looks stable. But this will not last. In time production will decline and prices will rise. But even when prices rise high enough to encourage it will take years for the oil patch to regenerate serious NG exploration IMHO. This is nothing new. This cycle has been run before and it takes many years to complete.
And yet many behave as if they think this cycle is gonna be different. This time its gonna be different!
while an Israeli attack on Iran would cause a major price spike.
Israeli national earthquake drill, AC12 joint US Israeli missile defence drill, increased air defence measures and overflights of Lebanon due to drone interception, 3 US carriers and 2 big deck amphibious warfare ship now in place in the Gulf, Turkey military mobilised on Syrian border (due to cross border incidences) and all legalities for invasion pre-sorted, US presidential elections soon. Sanctions etc. have isolated Iran from the global system to reduce attack impact and Europe et al, have had time to reorganise their oil sources.
Lets say I wouldn't be surprised if something happened between Monday and November 6th. Full moon October 29th. I guess the only questionable thing is whether an Iran strike would benefit Obama pre-election? Sounds risky but we're living in interesting times and who knows what the elites now find acceptable or not.
Seriously? If you have a country with nothing of value but oil, how exactly do you diversify? Sell sand?
Craig
You sell solar, or at least the current created from it..
Good idea. To whom, though? All your neighbors are sandy deserts, and have ample solar available (and oil, as it happens). Europe is rather far to transport electicity, plus they have some fairly sunny places.
The
rainsun, in Spain, falls mainly on the plain.Craig
I doubt it could replace oil, but it would cover at least some of the gap. If it was cheap enough you could export energy intensive stuff, like Aluminum (but you gotta be able to compete against really cheap energy to do that). Even if it isn't enough (electricy export market, not solar resource) to replace what they got now, combined with other stuff it might be enough.
Plenty of sunshine in the desert ;-)
But doubtful that would sustain the current population levels used now to support the oil industry. Solar thermal once built would probably not require that much maintenance or capital as opposed to oil production, refining, shipping etc. Solar electricity would flow through a grid which has some costs to maintain but I doubt anywhere near that of oil shipments.
Seriously? If you have a country with nothing of value but oil, how exactly do you diversify?
If a poor country like India with extreme diversity and lots of challenges can create IT, pharmaceutical, automobile, textile, iron & steel, petrochemical, & other industries from scratch why can't the oil rich countries do it? Outside of Israel there is not a single decent university or R&D center in the entire middle east.
Outside of Israel there is not a single decent university or R&D center in the entire middle east....
This is a result of only allowing study courses that are in agreement with the state's religous beliefs, ie Islam
I agree. Religion has a strong hold on the population in the middle east and it has kept them backward compared to the rest of the world and has contributed to most of their problems. Here is a video of religious police trying to expel a woman from a shopping mall in Saudi Arabia because she wore nail polish and lipstick (I am not kidding!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx-IaynKlWY
Honestly, I can't wait for them to run out of surplus oil to export. The sooner the better.
Although interestingly there was a period when this same religion supported the most advanced learning in the world at the time (outside of China anyway), and yet at some point the culture changed and the scholarly tradition died out.
Sounds like a commentary on the United States after the American Taliban, I mean republicans, take over:
"Although interestingly there was a period when this same religion supported the most advanced learning in the world at the time (outside of China anyway), and yet at some point the culture changed and the scholarly tradition died out."
New American institution of learning
http://arstechnica.com/features/2007/06/ars-takes-a-field-trip-the-creat...
http://constructiveanarchy.com/?tag=creation-museum
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2007/06/21/field-trip-to-the-creation-...
I recently became aware that Cameron Supply closed in Los Angeles. Cameron had all the tools, chemistry and supplies for supporting fine technical prototyping, assembly and production. It will become a spice shop. Dow electronics, the last R+D parts shop in Los Angeles, closed years ago and became a cake decorating supplies store.
It's quite a stretch to claim "this same religion" (Islam) actually *supported* learning and scientific advancement during the heydey of Arab culture, the peak of the Abbasid Caliphate. It's far more likely that the religious leaders of the day *tolerated* it as long as it did not interfere with religious teachings, while the true champions of science and learning were mostly secular thinkers and secular/political rulers who saw technology as a tool that gave them an advantage over their rivals --as was the case in the West a few centuries later (Renaissance and Enlightenment).
Unfortunately, more often than not, religions throughout history --especially the monotheistic ones-- have been the enemy of learning and social progress.
And science, or more precisely techno science, or let's say the religion of "usefulness", is currently bringing a crash of geological period proportion, though...
In the west, EACH AND EVERY ONE of the great scientist were convinced christians. It is a myth of our time that the scientists were non-religious. Copernicus was a very high ranked monk-priest, who did some math and astronomy at the side. Gallilei was a catholic who was a personal friend of the pope. The swedish botanic Carl von Linné wanted to become a priest and begun a project to make his own Bible translation. I don't think I need to even mention Newton rihgt? The list goes on.
It is also a myth that the church was fighting science; they benefitted it, and devoted some of their income at funding universyties. At those institutions, science was progressed.
If it was not for the medevial catholic church, electricity would most likely not have been discovered. Science was invented by christians, for christians. You need to pick up on your history knowledge.
Good answers, Jedi! (Obi Wan has taught you well!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernicus#Controversy
...because all the [Church] Fathers unanimously take this passage to mean that the sun which was truly moving stopped at Joshua's request. An interpretation which is contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers is condemned by the Council of Trent, Session IV, in the decree on the edition and use of the Sacred Books. Furthermore, although the Council speaks about matters of faith and morals, nevertheless it cannot be denied that the Holy Fathers would be displeased with an interpretation of Sacred Scriptures which is contrary to their common agreement."
In March 1616, in connection with the Galileo affair, the Roman Catholic Church's Congregation of the Index issued a decree suspending De revolutionibus until it could be "corrected," on the grounds that the supposedly Pythagorean doctrine that the Earth moves and the Sun does not was "false and altogether opposed to Holy Scripture." The same decree also prohibited any work that defended the mobility of the Earth or the immobility of the Sun, or that attempted to reconcile these assertions with Scripture.
On the orders of Pope Paul V, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine gave Galileo prior notice that the decree was about to be issued, and warned him that he could not "hold or defend" the Copernican doctrine.
In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture," and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.
Diversification can be many forms. From the 'free trade' zones of the Emirates, to more mundane, but useful employment industry such as local manufacturing and production. Many OPEC countries now have population demographics dominated by young, segregated citizens, with disproportionate unemployment/under-employment (note: much of Europe, particularly the southern countries also have massive youth unemployment, but not quite the same skewed population demographic).
The suggestion here is that these governments would have been better placed spending some of those oil resources developing alternative economic revenues and more opportunities of meaningful employment. Owning natural resources is not a prerequisite for developing industries (but it helps!) - I guess the teachers' reports all say 'should have tried harder'.
Canada's Ozone Science Group Falls Victim to Government Cuts
Sounds like the solution was to sweep it under the rug.
It's not a bug....it's a feature!
Maybe Harper figures they already have over 30 million UV sensors ... they can monitor the ozone hole by counting the number of new melanoma cancer cases each year. /sarc
... but Canada's Stephen Harper government had enough money to spend $28m celebrating the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812.
Now they know how many ozone holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.
My Beatles "fave." Love it!
Tories commit millions to ‘action plan’ ads while cutting programs
I hate to generalize, but the attitude of the Canadian (and probably American) government is 'don't look and you won't find it'
It has become axiomatic that this federal government has a complete lack of or has eliminated research into ozone & atmospheric science, GMO's, prison & institutional behavioral issues, mental illness, industrial food safety, military spending 'value', fisheries exploitation. But look at all the money we're saving!
Bryan
Very Tea Partyish. But I bet you have to use a different name north of the border (war of 1812 and all).
Thank goodness those pesky satellites are failing. No more images and no more data mean no more worries about melting ice and such. People will again be free to raptly listen to the assurances of God and Wealth's representatives here on earth... unhindered by faithless facts.
_________________________________________
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=47759
If they fail to pay a special tax, Germany's Roman Catholics will be denied the right to Holy Communion, being a godparent, or a religious burial.
I guess blackmail isn't a sin:
"If they fail to pay a special tax, Germany's Roman Catholics will be denied the right to Holy Communion, being a godparent, or a religious burial."
Climate Change to Lengthen Growing Season
This is true in the north. (In the south, there are very little land sans Antarctica near the poles). But in the rest of the world, you got the oposite; long droughts will criplle some quite extensive agricultral areas. The balance between the two is going to be on the negative.
So as usual; we in Scandinavia win again, the rest of you losers, sorry about that.
Alaska too! ;-)
Are you sure about that?
Arctic summer wind shift
Arctic summer wind shift could affect sea ice loss and U.S./European weather
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2012/10/arctic-summer-wind-shift.html
Something tells me you will soon be joining the losing team, along with the rest of us.
Cheers,
Jerry
You (Alaska) just got done with an unusually powerful storm for the season.
Also you have the mess of thawing permafrost, trees falling over, ice lenses melting out. Stuff that you thought was built on solid ground sinking into the mush. Debris flows as soil on slopes that was stabilized for thousands of years by being frozen thaws out. I do think you are going to live through some interesting times up there.
It's always interesting times up here. That's why some of us choose to live here. In any case, I believe Jedi's remark was somewhat toungue in cheek. Mine certainly was.
Yes. The times are interesting even more so recently.
My friend Mike was returning from Dawson and halted for the night at the Gerstle River campground. He slept in the bed of the truck. The wind grew stronger and stronger. Sometime early in the morning trees began breaking and falling. One maybe 16+ inches around landed on the canopy over Mike and mashed it like a beer can. The only thing that saved Mike was a stack of spare tires next to him which stopped the tree from mashing him too.
Douglas
Yeah, we've had some big winds here in Anchorage too. It's not uncommon for it to blow 80+ mi/hr up on the Hillside, but usually down in town where I live it's not that bad. However, the first big storm came early this season. The leaves were still on the trees (makes a big sail) and the storm knocked down a bunch of trees in my neighborhood. We were without power for almost 36 hours. Not too a big deal, since I have a small generator that I ran just enough to keep the frig and freezer cold. We then got hit with about 2 more big blows within a week, which was rather unusual. It has been very wet fall too, with flooding in some areas.
Glad your friend was OK!
Arctic summer wind shift could affect sea ice loss and U.S./European weather
The
metaphoricalproverbial ill wind that blows no one any good.Edit: Corrected.
On a spherical planet half the surface area is between the thirtieth parallels. So I think much more will be lost because it heats up, then will be gained at high lattitudes. And much of that high lattitude land is muskeg or rocky, so it will be tough to use. Particularly during the transition from permafrost to unfrozen!
"So as usual; we in Scandinavia win again, the rest of you losers, sorry about that."
Don't be sorry; for 100,000 years you guys were buried under a mile of ice. The barely habitable margins probably drowned in a week when Lake Agassiz let go.
It's your turn to be comfortable for a bit. Enjoy it.
It is not about what you do, it is about timing.
No easy answer to fixing California's record gas prices
Seraph, you would have thought the supply would not have been so tight based on the 8% reduction in demand. How much supply was impacted by the refinery fire?
Refinery capacity = 245,000 barrel-per-day of crude = 7.7 million gal/day
Since only a portion of crude is converted to gasoline the loss of the refinery is closer to 3 million gallons of gasoline a day.
Average fill-up ~ 10 gal
3,000,000/10 = 300,000 vehicle fill-ups (~ 1% of vehicles in california)
There are ~ 33,539,486 vehicles and 23,753,441 licensed drivers in california as of 2010
US researchers map carbon emissions at street level
Here is a CNBC article: As Waistlines Grow, So Do Refrigerator Sizes
Fortunately, the efficiency of refrigerators has improved so the increase in size and number does not have as big of an impact.
I'm just wondering how many of the second refrigerators are just people's older models. My neighbors were showing me their new, more efficient model a while back; got a tax credit and all that. I later discovered the older refrigerator was moved to the basement for beer, extra freezer space, etc...
We're in the market for a newer fridge/freezer, 19-21 cuft. Any recommendations would be helpful (must have ice maker ;-) We're fine with the more efficient over/under units, as the side-by-side units are energy hogs, and I plan to super-insulate it (made space for this when I built the kitchen).
My neighbors have two additional full size refrigerators in their garage (which probably reaches about 120 degF in the summer BTW). These aren't meat freezers - they're just regular old refrigerators. And yes, their waistlines are both proportionally that much larger.
If you want to spend a LOT of bucks for a very high efficiency one, check out Sunfrost. Off-griders around here who can afford one, have one and they are all satisfied.
Todd
Edit to add: Take a look at the specs on the Sunfrost. You won't find specs like these on mainline appliances. http://www.sunfrost.com/refrigerator_specs.html Even at high temps (90F) most are under or close to 1KW/day. Also, FWIW, they come in 12 and 24DC as well as 110 and 220AC. These are the best fridges/freezers available - honest.
Thanks, Todd. I've been looking at the Sunfrosts for a while; hoping to get the F-10 freezer in the next year (24 volt). The R-19 refrigerator is a little too 'austere' for the wife, and for the price I can get a fairly efficient mainstream over/under and add a couple of KW of PV (I have spare controller and battery capacity), and I love my ice maker (spoiled, I know, but here in the southeast we love our iced tea and bourbon on the rocks ;-) Whatever we get, I'll add a couple of inches of foam board insulation. When I do, I'll track the before and after KW consumption and report back. I have some other ideas as well, including ducting cool air (or water) to the condenser. Refrigeration is our biggest load (excepting the wife's TV on her days off). A Sunfrost PV-direct freezer is tops on my wish list. Still waiting for that rich uncle to die ;-)
"I'll add a couple of inches of foam board insulation."
Watch out for where the condenser coils are located. On my freezer, they are on both sides. Insulating them would be a bad idea.
Frigidare 13' chest freezer has them on the front, back and compressor side. So much for my wanting to add foam :(
NAOM
Insane, isn't it... putting the heat rejecting elements right next to the cooled volume... separated only by the visually acceptable amount of insulation.
It does help with condensation issues though.
Chest freezers are more efficient, the cold air doesn't spill out when they are opened, they don't automatically defrost, and they can be put in a garage or other room that is cold.
Rather, less spills out. In the humid air here you get to see a nice cloud effect when the freezer is opened and closed. We also get a LOT of frost build up that needs to be scraped off.
NAOM
Ghung, goto Consumer Reports. Subscribe on-line or read back issues at the library, appliance evaluations are one of the things that they do best.
Choosing an Energy-Efficient Refrigerator
Select a small refrigerator with the freezer at the top — one without a through-the-door ice dispenser
by Martin Holladay, GBA Advisor
Thats been the problem with these utility rebate programs. They are supposed to reduce demand, but few of the old models are being ataken out of service. People think they will save money by stocking up when things go on sale. You can bet even 1% of them haven't calculated how much the extra fridge is costing them in power bills.
Not so here. They pick up the old one or you don't get the rebate.
"Thats been the problem with these utility rebate programs. They are supposed to reduce demand, but few of the old models are being ataken out of service. People think they will save money by stocking up when things go on sale. You can bet even 1% of them haven't calculated how much the extra fridge is costing them in power bills."
I have read that the Sun frost brand is quite efficient. They are pricey though.
DC
Check you local utility and see what they need to give you an incentive check. Where I live, just getting an Energy Star fridge is not enough, you have to get a fridge with CEE tier 3.
Since I'm not a customer of the (any) local utility, I doubt they'd be interested. I'm looking at something like this, Tier III, not too pricey, and 364 KWh/yr. Free delivery ;-)
Ghung, remember that the power quoted is at their 'normal' coolth settings which are well above the recommended temperatures for storing food. Fridge well above safe meat storage and freezer, well, just freezing and not cold enough for long term storage. Probably 50% above is a good estimate for power use at suitably cold temperatures. If you, correction, when you superinsulate you may find extra condensation at the boundaries such as the door opening, think about an extra coat of paint there, maybe a marine epoxy paint. I want to S/I my fridge and I may taper the insulation at those edges. The problem is the insulation is outside the metal so, if the fridge is at 4C and the room at 24C, then the metal may be at 14C and well below the dew point.
NAOM
"when you superinsulate you may find extra condensation at the boundaries such as the door opening.."
I insulated our small freezer (7 cuft) with 2" foam board and sealed all edges with aluminum HVAC tape so no moisture can get into the space between insulation and the original metal box. So far, no condensation anywhere. Homepower published a good article several years ago on doing this, noting that adding insulation can move the dewpoint outside of the original enclosure. They also recommended using contact adhesive to stick the foam to the sides. A buddy of mine actually built a nice wooden cabinet around his fridge and injected expanding foam into the 2" gap. Seems to work really well.
Our freezer has an external coil on the back which had enough 'give' to shim it out away from the cabinet another 1/2". I glued/taped a piece of 1/2" reflective foam between the coil and the cabinet on the back. The freezer is using about 200 WHrs/day now, about half of what it used to.
It's a good idea to wait until your warranty expires to do this stuff ;-/
As an afterthought. Check out commercial, restaurant/shop fridges and freezers, you may be surprised at their cost effectiveness and efficiency but I don't know how badly they rip you up there. You may need separates. A commercial 18' fridge with VERY good thermal control uses about the same power as a 18' fridge/freezer (freezer hardly used) and controls the temperature way better with much faster cool down times. If I was buying again for domestic I would probably use a commercial fridge plus a chest freezer.
NAOM
I love the theoretical efficiency of chest fridge and freezers but lifting out the 50 lb turkey is a bad idea and it is easy to forget you have a year-old fish at the bottom. So we went with uprights for back pain issues & ease of organization.
Likewise having the freezer at the top makes you bend over every time you reach for the milk & carrots (and puts the ice cream conveniently at eye level), but freezer on top is more efficient. So we have the freezer on the bottom, strike two for efficiency vs lifestyle. One friend bought the cheap efficient top freezer then put the 'above fridge' cabinet underneath which lifted the whole fridge up two feet.
The cheapest models are often relatively more efficient, go figure. Have fun trying to find the energy consumption tags at the showrooms. If you write down all the model numbers you can look them up on Energy Star USA or Canada
A great source for all appliances (washers, TV's, computers), heating (furnaces, boilers), cooling (A/C), lightbulbs etc... Interesting, too, that conventional stovetops and clothes dryers are not worth researching - they all consume about the same amount.
Bryan
After I bought my new top freezer fridge I noticed I was having to bend over more to reach stuff in the frig section.
Later as I was reading the owners manual I realized it was ADA compliant. Might be something to watch for while shopping around.
I have a nice old unused maple corner table I'm planning to take apart and build a 5" base for the new refrigerator.
When I installed our cabinets I built up the refrigerator compartment to the height of the cabinet toe kicks, about 4.5" off the floor, which helps. That said, my wife is 5'1" and I'm six feet, so everything is a compromise, especially when putting dishes and food away.
I also left the refrigerator compartment open to the pantry/utility room in the back; better ventilation and easier access to clean the coils, etc. (I wonder how many megawatts we could save if folks cleaned their refrigerator coils regularly, especially the ones at floor level).
I have an Amana fridge with the freezer on the bottom, which I love. Makes more sense.
We have a small (about 250 litre) top opening freezer in an unheated, well ventilated brick outhouse. On the coldest winter nights, it's 'class A' insulation helps to keep the food warm ;)
We got a GE model GTH18EB TZRWW, at Home Depot. Only 18 cubic feet, but very efficient: less than 1 KWH per day. I figure that this refigerator extends our off-grid electric capability essentially to infinity: with 12 KWH of battery backup, we can run the fridge until we get a sunny day for the PV. Not very expensive, and we got a stimulus rebate on it. It quickly pays for itself with energy savings.
Notice the images in the story. Side by side and three door units are designed more for style than efficiency, the inside capacity is used as a marketing tool and doesn't subtract the area of dividers between the doors or large ice-makers etc. that clutter the interior, reducing the real storage capacity.
Professor Popkin is full of himself.
"While no empirical data exist" that the writer or sources have any credibility, carry on CNBC.
Bigger refrigerators are more efficient than smaller ones, courtesy of the volume to surface area ratio.
If it's too empty, you can always put in some water jugs to add some thermal mass, and old going on vacation trick.
If it weren't for that "too austere for the wife" issue, I would have long since set us up with a small chest freezer converted to a fridge with an auxiliary fridge thermostat. Probably would have a second small chest freezer...as a freezer. Austerity has become somewhat of a sport for me, the wife not so much. Every time I try something new and less consumptive, I find myself saying.."well that was easy...what should I try next that's even less consumptive?"
Prediction: more refigerators in more homes as more people move in with parents, siblings or other significant friends, etc., to counter lost jobs and reduced incomes. At present we have 2 fridges, 1 freezer, and 12 people in the house, representing 3 generations, including 2 out-of-work heads of household.
Meanwhile, energy use in the home has been reduced by 55% from insulation, and 21-Seer HVAC, plus LED in all available places (except, my wife can't stand them in her reading lamp, which uses a 3-way CFL).
Craig
Ireland 'close to oil billions'
For Colin Campbell below, Barryroe is an old find, made valuable now from barrel price :
http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012/10/colin-campbell-on-peak-oil.html
Sinkhole update ... (looks like it's time for old Jed to move to Beverly) ... nobody's goin' home anytime soon.
6:30 a.m. DNR News Release
also Wells hit natural gas
also http://assumptionla.com/bayoucorne/gohsep
and http://www.edsuite.com/proposals/proposals_280/assumption_update_october...
...
Come and listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed
Poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed
Then one day he was shooting for some food,
And up through the ground come a bubbling crude
(Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea)
Well the first thing you know old Jed's a millionaire
Kin folk said Jed move away from there
Said California is the place you oughta be
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly
(Hills that is, swimming pools, movie stars)
S - Good timing for that update. In a week I'll have the rig moving on to my location about 5 miles from the sinkhole. About shallow FF accumulations: At 1:30 AM last Sunday morning I logged the surface hole (1'-1,500') of a 5,200' wildcat I'm drilling in Texas. Most companies wouldn't log this shallow hole but I knew there were hydrocarbons in the area at this depth. And sure enough I found a 20' thick NG reservoir just 46' below ground level. I don't know if it would make a commercial completion or not. A lot depends on whether we find anything deep to complete in. And I apparently have the same gas sand in the water supply well I drilled just 200' away. All the water well drillers know to aware of a potential blowout from these shallow reservoirs. There are wells in the area that have produced over $5 million of NG even at today's low price. This goes back to stories about folks blaming frac'd wells for contamination of their water wells. Contamination occurring in areas where natural shallow NG reservoirs are known to exist. BTW in this area home owners typically drill their house supply wells to 160'. Had my land owner tapped into this sand for a water supply he could have had pure methane flowing around 100,000 cu. ft. per day at him.
Sinkhole expansion has caused a nearby empty pipeline to float to the surface.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/assumptionoep/8076960360/
7/10/2012
Peak oil lite: Sydney Airport passenger traffic 15% below 2009 forecast (part 1)
http://crudeoilpeak.info/peak-oil-lite-sydney-airport-passenger-traffic-...
Well, then they must be due for a runway expansion! /sarc
No, they're planning a new airport.
It seems that the traffic projections leave them with no possibility of fitting in more flights by 2027.
Like most "successful" cities today, Sydney has simply grown too big. House prices are rising again, after some slight hesitation, with a current median house price well over $A600,000, everything is congested, and it looks like they're running short of water.
US home heating oil cost to rise 19 pct this winter-EIA
Documenting Votes From ‘The Most Anti-Clean Energy, Do-Nothing, Pro-Pollution Congress In History’
I want my money back... all of it. One wonders how much this do-nothing-but-harm govt. cost us.
Edwards: ... People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
Now, along with dumb & panicky, you can add greedy and irresponsible ...
Looking out for #1 can make you happy, if you have no choice
This example leaps to mind:
Saving the Arctic Ice (#1)
Greenpeace, Greenwashing and Geoengineering
http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2012/10/saving-the-arctic-ice-1.html
Otherwise smart people talking past each other and generally being totally clueless about the severity, scope, and magnitude of the situation. It should be clear by now that tossing around really dumb ideas like geoengineering, which does nothing to address the root cause of the problem and is almost certain to have catastrophic unintended consequences, is just an expedient way for people to relieve their guilt while doing absolutely nothing to change their planet killing, future destroying lifestyles.
Party on!
Cheers,
Jerry
Military Microgrids as Backup Power
Army has a contract out where the private sector puts up $7B of alt energy on bases and government buys energy back over time.
http://armylive.dodlive.mil/index.php/2012/08/renewable-alternative-ener...
I retired from and work for the Army, and I hear and read quite a bit about energy "security". My own opinion is that we aren't doing enough, fast enough. But perhaps the government sector moving more into alt energy will help the private sector. They also say we're going to conserve, but operational energy is the 800 lb. elephant in the room.
British Shoppers Warned of Fruit and Veg Shortages
The Growing Appeal of National Gardening Leave
Controversial 'zombie roads' scheme to be resuscitated
From this past April...
David Cameron: this is the greenest government ever
Prime minister tells leaders at a world energy summit that the UK government has achieved its aim
And lets not forget the airport expansion...
Flying blind
The economic case for Heathrow’s Third Runway doesn’t add up.
Hat tip: Energy Bulletin
Neither the greenest nor the most fiscally prudent government the U.K. has ever had?
Got that all you enviro-Nazis?? If it weren't for those horrible, Draconian anti-smog regulations, we'd all be happy motoring along with $1/gallon gas. But nooooo...
Good grief, this guy doesn't even bother to get the basics right (state taxes represent a tiny % of the price of gas vs. crude oil). Not to mention the silly Nicki Minaj-vs.-Mariah Carey comment, as though wanting clean air to breath were akin to some public spat between two spoiled celebrities. I grew up in L.A. in the 1970s and can still remember the Stage-3 smog alerts and how much it hurt to breathe. It was like being a 4-pack-a-day smoker without the cigarettes.
California should have had higher state gas tax in order to reduce volume demanded to better match refinery output with a greater margin for shutdowns.
Higher gas taxes to cut consumption??!?? That's some Commie doomer sh*t right there!
Whydoyouhateourfreedeom?™
Yeah, I remember the ballot. It said:
1) Do you want a refinery fire? Yes/No
2) Do you want a power outage at a pipeline soon after the refinery fire? Yes/No.
I guess I should have voted no!
"state taxes represent a tiny % of the price of gas vs. crude oil"
Tiny == 16%, given 36 cents a gallon state taxes and $2.19 per gallon for crude ($92 per 42 gallon barrel) then there is sales tax and a storage tank fee as well.
Well, total taxes represent about 12% now, and that isn't just state --it includes federal AND local sales tax. State + sales taxes are about 35.3¢/gallon, while federal tax adds another 18.4¢/gallon. So the state-and-local alone would represent ~7.6% of the price of a gallon of gas. Not nothing, but far, far from being the "main reason" why gas is so expensive in CA. That honor goes to crude oil (68% of the total cost per gallon), followed by refining & marketing costs, followed by the two recent refinery shutdowns.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/apr/19/no-silver-lining-california-gas-pri...
http://theev.biz/archives/402
Stop whining :-)
32% Crude & Refining
9% Distribution
59% Taxes
---------------------------
$ 9 for a gallon anywhere in Holland
So North Dakota oil production for august was 701,134 barrels per day.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/north-dakota-august-daily-oil.html
An increase of 25,000 barrels per day over the prior month.
So Rune Likvern had indicated the north dakota oil would plateau at 600,000-700,000 barrels per day. So was that based on some kind of annual daily volume ? Where when it goes past 700,000 barrels per day it has to hold for a full year ?
Or how many many months where they keep adding 15,000-30,000 barrels per day do we say that it did not plateau ?
I am expecting a good Sept. Since the EIA shows about an extra 250,000 barrels per day more in Sept vs August for daily crude oil production.
The data from the North Dakota wells that stands out is that over three months they have added 497 wells, and the average well production increased from 92 barrels a day to 94 barrels a day. 7,480 wells producing 94 barrels a day doesn't have an energy independence ring to it.
Alaska + North Dakota C+C production (EIA):
January, 2012: 1.15 mbpd
July, 2012: 1.09 mbpd
Alaska showed a pretty sharp drop from June to July (combined production in June was 1.15 mbpd), so there may be some field maintenance issues in Alaska, but the overall trend line is pretty clear.
There were some planned maintainence shutdowns of some of the processing facilities on the N Slope. They usually do that in the summer. I think every thing should be back to normal now.
From what I see from the EIA data US (C+C) production was lower in August 2012 compared to July 2012. This may be due to maintenance and/or weather related (Gulf of Mexico).
Perhaps advancednano is so kind to share data with the TOD readers for a longer period of time than just comparing changes from August 2012 to September 2012 (all which still are estimates from the EIA).
Rune
There was some maintenance in Alaska in June, July and August. The drop from July to August was almost all due to the hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Some of that hurricane drop will spill over into September but not as much as in August.
US crude oil production in kb/d.
Ron P.
Alaska September Oil Output Jumps 30% as Maintenance Ends
Source links for North Dakota data
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/historicaloilprodstats.pdf
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/mpr/2012_08.pdf
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/north-dakota-august-daily-oil.html
US daily crude oil production up to 6.598 million bpd for the latest reported week.
Latest weeks numbers for the US, with breakdowns of various kinds by region PAD
http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/overview.pdf
Link to the US history going back to 1983
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WCRFPUS2&f=W
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/us-daily-crude-oil-increases-to-6598.html
You are quoting total ND production. ND Bakken production is here:
https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/stats/historicalbakkenoilstats.pdf
635kbopd in August.
So what is the difference between ND Bakken production of 635 kb/d and Rune Likvern's 558 kb/d statement of Bakken, Sanish, Three Forks and Bakken/Three Forks Pools for August
According to North Dakota Industrial Commission average daily production from Bakken for August 2012 was 635 kb/d (as shown by the previous poster).
My number of 558 kb/d is the annual average for 2012 as of August 2012 also for Bakken is by totaling the production from Bakken for the months January 2012 through August 2012 and dividing by the total number of days for those months.
Rune
For advancednano (whose real name apparently is Brian Wang )
advancednano is advised to read my article Is Shale Oil Production from Bakken Headed for a Run with “The Red Queen”?
At the start of my post;
advancednano wrote;
In my article I wrote:
(and that was supposed to point to production from Bakken - Bakken, Sanish, Three Forks and Bakken/Three Forks Pools -- formation in North Dakota)
The most recent data from North Dakota Industrial Commission for the months January through August 2012 for - Bakken, Sanish, Three Forks and Bakken/Three Forks Pools - shows an annualized production of 558 kb/d.
Rune
I did take a look at it after I posted the comment.
So if North Dakota adds an average of 20,000 barrels per day of production each month and assuming that most is Bakken, Sanish, Three Forks and Bakken/Three Forks Pools.
Then in Dec 2012 the daily would be about 640kb/d
And in Dec 2013 (assuming additions in 10 out of 12 months, 2 months off at least for weather) the daily would be 840kb/d. The whole state would be at about 980 kb/d.
The annual average then be about 740kb/d.
So Dec 2014, assuming a repeat of 2013, would end at about 1040kb/d, with an average of 940kb/d.
If the average monthly additions were 15,000 barrels per day.
the 2013 annual average would be 670kb/d
the 2014 annual average would be 920kb/d
If the average monthly additions were 10,000 barrels per day.
the 2013 annual average would be 600kb/d
the 2014 annual average would be 800kb/d
So I would think either case would mean that at end of 2014 (and we would not have the full year data until April 2015.) would be a time when growth that did not plateau would have gone past the Rune forecast.
What threshold does Rune want to quantify as "much above 0.7 million barrels per day"?
Is it 751 kb/d annual average ?
Is it 801 kb/d annual average ?
Is it 851 kb/d annual average ?
Depending upon how you are defining it, I might be interested in making a bet that you are wrong. I have had bets in regards to uranium production and nuclear energy production against Dittmar (a guy who works at CERN who wrote a bunch of articles here.)
I won 6 out of 8 bets so far.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/05/uranium-production-for-2011-was-53494.html
I had also thought and wrote that Piccolo (author of some North Dakota/ Bakken production articles a few years ago.) was wrong. I thought North Dakota would get to over 1 million barrels per day and Piccolo was thinking it would not get past a far lower level.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8258
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5928
Brian Wang (btw- I had already replied with my name in another recent thread when you asked for it, and I have had articles where my name is listed. I notice you are not hunting after the real name of Westtexas and various other commenters).
While westexas' real name is fairly well known here, I'm quite happy remaining as anonymous as I can in this age of privacy rape and repercussions. My real name is unusual enough that if I Google it, only a few things come up, and they all point back to me, unlike folks with more common names. I'm sure others have their reasons. Congrats, though, on your outing, Brian...
With advancednano (Brian Wang) you must first start with this understanding of his position on posters in TOD (from his blog - http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/09/world-and-us-oil-projections-and-recent... )
"Th OilDrum has a typically overly pessimistic view of what will happen with world, US and Canadian oil production. The figures that they are using are already outdated for the US which has had an increase of 1 million barrels per day in crude oil since 2011."
With respect to the debate style of "If X continues on trend Y then Z is the only possible outcome" - all I can say is that you can pretty much claim anything you want when you start with the word "IF".
Regards.
I am making projections that I think are more likely.
ND Production could plateau.
ND could have a lot of rains again and that could slow up drilling for many months.
Prices could drop and drillers could delay or slow drilling programs.
Europe, US, Japan and China could have even worse economic performance for a few years, oil demand could be quite a bit less and again oil prices could drop.
Multi-billionaire CEO of Continental Resources is the biggest player in the ND Bakken and they have a lot riding on continued growth in Bakken production. Just maintaining is not enough to keep his share price up. Continental has made far more positive projections of total reserves. There is a lot of money that depends upon solving problems to increase production in the Bakken. There a lot of wildcatting type companies. Unlike laid back Occidental in California where if they cannot get the right terms the executives will push harder to develop some foreign holdings.
The oil plateauing arguments are also claims based upon "IF".
advancednano (Brian) why not use your energy and talent on producing an article containing your forecast(s) and have it posted on The Oil Drum.
Rune
I spend most of my effort on writing for my own blog. 5-15 articles per day usually.
I have had articles posted at the Oil Drum before but now they have an editorial policy which seems to allow any one of a few editors to hold up articles. I did not get an article following up the uranium bet for 2012. I had articles in the prior year.
Anyway. I get advertising revenue from my own site. which has about 80% of the web traffic of theOildrum.
If I were spending extra effort, it would be towards my unfinished book on my predictions and analysis for the future of technology and the world.
I drop in occasionally at theOildrum, because sometime duties calls.
Rune I was wondering what were your exact thresholds on your predictions when you would say that reality had turned out different.
What threshold do you want quantify as "much above 0.7 million barrels per day" for a fully year average ?
Is it 751 kb/d annual average ? I am willing to take this as a money bet for a 12 month average.
Is it 801 kb/d annual average ? I am willing to take a smaller money bet on this
Is it 851 kb/d annual average ? I am willing to take a bet but probably not for money at this level
Brian Wang
It is possible to keep adding a fixed monthly/annual addition to production from Bakken and arrive at any conclusion that is wished for.
Some of the important parameters are the speed of new production wells added and development in total number of wells. As the total number of wells grows, total decline grows (higher number of wells with (in general) declining production).
Brian adds no information of how many producing wells are added in his proposal.
To better understand and develop forecast for shale oil from Bakken requires use of dynamic modeling to make forecasts on future developments in production from Bakken and not simple static additions.
advancednano (Brian) has repeatedly tried to use different data to support his case, until he is made aware of what data are relevant.
I will repeat my suggestion to Brian that he should use his talent and energy to produce forecasts for Bakken and have they published.
By doing so he could demonstrate his forecasting abilities and insights.
I can not see to have been presented to any data or arguments that suggests I should revise my position relative to what I had in my article about Bakken (“Red Queen”).
If Brian finds The Oil Drum so out of touch with reality, one has to wonder why he spends so much time around The Oil Drum.
Being a member for more than 5 years Brian apparently confuses The Oil Drum with a casino in Las Vegas or a place for betting.
The Oil Drum is about learning about energy, discussing energy and future outlooks, solutions.
Perhaps The Oil Drum should charge Brian from what he learns here?
Brian’s comment (further down):
speaks volumes.
Rune
So you do not want to be more specific about when you will admit that you could be wrong.
You also do not want to make a bet about North Dakota Bakken oil production.
I will just point out when reality proves that you are wrong, the way reality has shown Piccolo to have been laughably wrong.
Michael Dittmar had a long winded analysis on uranium, it was wrong.
I will also be pointing out when US crude oil production exceeds 7 million per day and when US oil production makes new annual highs. I know you like the annual averages Rune.
Brian,
To repeat myself; Brian Wang, you should use your talent and energy to make a rebuttal that would support your case. That would be the only way to move this discussion further. That you are not willing (or perhaps able) to produce a rebuttal speaks volumes.
There are people who gets things right for the right reasons as well as people who gets things right for the wrong reasons.
This is not about anyone of those you mention above so try to stick to the subject.
Rune
You do not have the confidence to make a specific bet about your analysis and predictions. That also speaks volumes.
I get your excuse will be - I got it wrong for the right reasons.
The analysis has been done and the case has been made for higher levels of sustainable north dakota production.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/05/oil-production-potential-of-north.html
It is the drill fast enough and keep the wells productive enough that they increase production. I already summarized that work in May 2012.
Boils down to they will drill faster and lower the cost of wells by about 3 times.
Oil Production Potential of the North Dakota Bakken (James Mason, Feb 2012, 12 pages). Article accepted for publication in the Oil and Gas Journal
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/continental-resources-says-oklahoma.html
Continental Resources laid out a 5 year plan to increase from about 100,000 barrels per day of oil equivalent up to 300,000 barrels per day of oil equivalent by 2017 and it will mostly be increases in the Bakken.
Moveable sleaves and other well improvements - improve the economics of the Bakken wells.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/01/movable-sleeves-could-reduce-cost-of.html
Baker Hughes has set its sights on creating “super cracks,” a method of blasting deeper into dense rock to create wider channels. The aim of the technology, branded as DirectConnect, is to better concentrate the pressure of fracking fluids to reach oil or gas farther from the well bore, which existing methods fail to do as effectively.
The company also is trying to speed up the fracking process. Wells usually are fracked in steps, as plastic balls are dropped down to plug the well at various stages and isolate different zones for fracking. It can take days to get a drilling rig to the site and fish out conventional frack balls, which can get stuck over the course of 20 or 30 preparation phases in a typical well before production can begin. With land-based rigs renting for up to $30,000 a day, reducing such delays is critical. So Baker Hughes has developed disintegrating balls, which turn into powder “like an Alka-Seltzer” after a couple of days, says Rustom Mody, vice-president for technology.
Schlumberger, after six years of research, has developed a technique called HiWAY. The technology can generate bigger cracks in surrounding rock formations than current methods by combining fiber with typical fracking materials such as sand so the stuff clumps as it’s being pumped in repeated pulses and at high pressure into the side of a well. The number of customers using HiWAY in North America has grown from two a year ago to more than 20, Schlumberger says. Chief Executive Officer Paal Kibsgaard told investors in October that the HiWAY technology is yielding larger oil and gas production while using less water and sand than conventional fracking.
Halliburton (HAL), the No. 1 provider of fracking services, also based in Houston, is trying to reduce the amount of materials and labor used on each well. It’s rolled out RapidFrac, a series of sliding sleeves that open throughout the horizontal well bore to isolate zones for fracking. Fracking fluid is then injected at high pressure through multiple holes exposed by the sliding sleeve, cracking the surrounding rock. The process can be faster and cheaper than the most popular fracking method, which involves sending an explosive charge down the well to blast one hole at a time.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/north-dakota-bakken-oil-wells-have.html
zipper fracs and other technology improve economics or improve the recovery or both.
The Oildrum editors can let me know if they are interested in the article. The editors follow the comments on their site ?
'Rapid Frac' , 'Super Cracks'
Reminds me of the motto the William McDonough gives to the Industrial Revolution,
"If brute force doesn't work, you aren't using enough."
Rune argument was that each well would have less oil. If this were an analogy for guns, bullets and blood.
Then if you want that certain amount of blood and each bullet is doing less damage, then get more guns and bullets and fire more shots. Just have to lower the cost as they are trying to do to make the economics work for tripling the number of wells.
Lower the cost by a factor of 3? Sounds like bull$h!t to me.
by the end of next year Continental resources plans to get its cost per well in the ND Bakken down to about 8.2 million. This is almost 20% less than the $10 million avg that Rune is using.
They also describe their new view of the Bakken geology
They are targeting a 35% increase next year and 3 times over 5 years.
Seems it will be a mix of increased capital budget from improving finances and lowering costs and other improvements.
If the avg production increase for all in the Bakken is about 30% next year. Going from yearend 2012 780,000 bpd, then 2013 ends at 1.0 million bpd.
If that 30% annual increase is sustainable.
Here are some additional statistics to ponder:
Two similar adjacent fields in the sweetest of sweet spots, both contain about 5 townships.
There is no assurance whatever that an average well will ultimately produce 600 mbo as claimed by Harold Hamm. Operators have previously promoted the idea that 8 or 17 wells could be drilled on a single 1280 acre unit.
Sanish is showing signs of being overdeveloped with about 3.5 wells per 1280 acre unit. It is a lot more complicated than that, but the general idea is caution about sustained increases in Bakken production.
I don't necessarily agree with Rune(the other poster)'s analysis either. I have to admit I haven't studied it in any detail. I think Rune has already placed his bet.
Myself, I have to admit I have been completely surprised by how big this has gotten. I expected a few sweet spots to be developed and then economics would determine the end of the boom. I accept the USGS assesment of around 4 GB. Harold Hamm's 8 or 12 or 24 GB seems like fantasy. One of Continental's presentations actually suggested 48 GB.
signed, the previous poster.
Big Oil and Gas Pumps Money to Christy Clark
BC's premier criticized Alberta publicly while fundraising oil money there in private.
By Bill Tieleman,TheTyee.ca
Coal Miner’s Donor
A Mitt Romney benefactor and his surprisingly generous employees.
Fish killed in salmon-bearing creek after pool water dumped into storm drain
A fish kill in Vancouver's last wild salmon-bearing stream is being blamed on ignorance.
5 Oct 2012, Canadian Press
Idiots! Nothing grew in their pool because it was chlorinated, yet they don't think twice about discharging it into a wild stream?
Once again, The Onion is more truth than fiction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxl_-DHqKo&feature=youtu.be
That was so close to reality, it wasnt even funny. Forthe optimum funnyness, a larger proportion of not real content is requiered.
Yes, that's a problem for satirists: when reality is more bizarre than fantasy, what's funny any more?
"Nothing grew in their pool because it was chlorinated, yet they don't think twice about discharging it into a wild stream?"
More likely they didn't know the storm sewer drained to a stream instead of a treatment plant. Which Civil Engineer signed off on that, and what will happen to his/her license?
Edit: Somewhere I saw storm sewers that were actually marked with a warning that they did discharge to the local river, and not to put anything toxic into them. i can't remember where that was though.
All ours have labels that tell you not to dump bad stuff in them "Drains to the (SF) bay".
Where I grew up (New Jersey) the storm sewer drained out on the hillside, and the stream was a couple hundred feet downhill of that. I don't think it is feasible to treat storm water, the volumes can be really huge.
California.
Fort Collins, CO.
Vancouver
http://wvvw.pugetsoundstartshere.org/in-your-local-area/local-resources/...
And Hawai`i.
Though I guess the fact that they have to label the catch basins tells you that a lot of people don't realize how storm sewers work.
LOL - As I go about my day, I look around with wonder at how little most people understand about haw any of the systems they use work.
I look around and wonder at how many folks don't give a damn.
That too. Usually both ignorant and incurious.
They'd probably give a d#@$ if the media concentrated on it as a serious problem. They will chase after whatever cause is fashionable today.
I'm amused at anti-science conversations being held on cell-phones.
That's why they're called storm drains.. they're only meant for rain, and they're supposed to be kept in the local hydrology. We used to have houses with the gutters feeding into the sewers, but once sewage treatment began in earnest, storm overflows would overwhelm these systems, so they have been separating these flows.. all those gutter>sewer junctions have had to get snipped.
That said, there's really no place that's 'appropriate' for heavily chlorinated pool water in a muni water scheme, since the treatment plants rely on microorgs to help break down the human sewage.. what we dump in from our pill bottles and paintbrushes, etc are not doing the systems much good either.
Most storm water is piped into into natural watercourses, and ultimately to the sea. Sewage is taken through a separate sewage piping system to a treatment plant. Where I live it is an offense to allow your storm water to drain into your sewage system.
Offhand, the only exception I can think of is London, which has a combined system, i.e. stormwater and sewage flow down the same pipes to a treatment works. The drawback is that you need a very large treatment plant able to handle storm flows, which is of course expensive.
I doubt the average householder would imagine swimming pool water could be deadly. After all, you can drink it.
The average householder gets to see live fish only on Discovery Channel or in Aquariums so the answer is no, that is unless they start experimenting by putting chlorine in the Aquarium. I have heard of several aquarium disasters where people used tap water and ended up killing the fish. Most people live in a plexiglass bubble, they don't know anything about the Eco-system.
I thought the tap water killed fish because it was colder than aquarium water.
The only time I cleaned out an aquarium, I left tap water in a bucket overnight to equalise temperature, as recommended, and used it with no ill effect on the fish. Of course, the chlorine would have evaporated as well.
It's the chlorine that's more deadly. Temperature changes can stress fish, but they deal with those in the wild.
Many municipalities now use chloramines, which don't dissipate like chlorine. Normal chlorine removers don't work on them, either.
Progress! :-(
I was an avid aquarist back in the 60's - the "just leave the water out overnight for the chlorine to dissipate" thing worked just fine.
I'd be surprised if there were no product on the market to deal with the chloramines - the aquarium market is a pretty big one, I would think.
Yes, there are special water conditioners that will remove chloramines. They are more expensive, of course.
The problem comes when they switch over to chloramines, and people don't know about it (or don't realize what it means). A lot of people have accidentally killed tanks or ponds full of fish, just doing what they always did before with no problem.
One low-impact way of dealing with it: change only a small amount of water at a time. If you only change 10% or so, there won't be enough chloramines to hurt the fish.
The push to switch to chloramines is because chlorinated water increases the risk of cancer (bladder cancer in particular, IIRC). Chloramines are supposed to be safer, precisely because they're more stable.
It's best to pre-filter aquarium water prior to adding to the tank; charcoal for fresh water; reverse osmosis for salt water (prior to mixing in the salt), especially for reef tanks. When I started using buffered RO water for all of my aquariums, the change for the better was remarkable. Serious, technical aquarium folks are really meticulous about water quality, and never trust tap water. One screwup will kill thousands of $$ in lifeforms.
Water departments can really increase the chloramine levels during heat waves and after piping maintenance, and the chlorine/chloramine treatments for fish tanks can have detrimental residual effects, especially on ph. If you love your fishys, get an RO filter and put in a buffering sump.
Haven't done the aquarium thing since I was a kid. I remember we were supposed to let tap water sit for 24hours for the chlorine to outgas before putting it in with the fish.
Couldn't they have just let the pool sit exposed to the sun for a few days (weeks?) to allow the chlorine to break down from UV exposure? I have well water so I don't really worry about that stuff for my aquarium, but I thought the city-water people usually just filled the tank and let it sit for a few days and the chlorine eventually just broke down into harmless components. If the stream smelled like chlorine then perhaps these fools had just treated the pool heavily prior to dumping it?
Also, for it to kill so many fish it seems like it would have to either be very toxic or else the stream really wasn't flowing and the fish had to sit in the pool water for an extended length of time. Something just seems weird about it...maybe I should have actually read the article.
A water treatment plant here in Norway managed to relase 6000 liters of chlorine into Akerselva last year.
Its a river that starts north of Oslo and runs trough the city. Killed off all life in the entire river.
The water treatmeant plant got i a big fine but no persons was put in jail or held responsible.
So the fine will just be paid of by the citisens when they pay the water fee.
Nothing will happen to his or her license. It's standard operating procedure. You can't have water treatment plants treating the huge amount of water the average storm sewer system handles.
So all the oil and sediment that the storms wash off the roads just dumps into the trout stream with the endangered fish without even a sand filter?
Our storm drainage at the plant goes to a lined pond. The local Wally-world's drainage goes to a gravel-lined pit where it can soak in. Back in Wisconsin the storm drains dumped into the Wisconsin River, which was big enough to handle the flows, and the papermills had already killed off everything sensitive.
So I really am surprised than socially trendy Vancouver BC lets storm water into trout streams without a second look.
We can get deliveries of a meter of rain during our storms. Not going to find many sand filters to handle that.
NAOM
Outside of tropical systems (hurricanes, and trop storms), thats difficult to happen. I suppose maybe topography might locally enhance the rain if you are on the upwind side of a hill. Last winter there was a bay area storm, one side of the hill got 5 inches, the other side a tenth of an inch!
We have about 7 micro-climates here. Had a good example this evening, a couple of big storms and someone, maybe a mile or less away, had a load of water dumped on them while we had just a shower.
NAOM
You would be surprised what socially trendy Vancouver allows. At least it does primary treatment on its sewage before releasing it into the ocean. The capital city of Victoria is still releasing raw sewage into the ocean despite having being ordered by several levels of government to stop.
In reality, water pollution laws here in oil-rich Alberta are much tougher than in BC. West Coast commitment to "Green" principles is more hypothetical than real.
What would you recommend? They have made the best split they could so far, and I'm sure it's more complicated than it's been described here, but trying to clean the surface gurry from the streets would be an enormously expensive project.. in Portland, the Storm drains have a Lobster stencilled by them to remind us where this ends up.
I heard an Indian ecologist say 'You don't need to clean up the rivers, they do that themselves.. you need to stop pouring junk into them.'
Draining storm water to a pit is a flood control measure, not a water purity measure. The pit fills up quickly and empties slowly. A large flat area like a playing field can also be used as a storm water dam.
Municipalities prefer storm water to be released in a steady flow rather than a sudden gush which overwhelms the capacity of the pipes and causes flooding.
Generally, yes. In the US, there are now standards for controlling runoff, but they do not require the government to go back and fix things retroactively; they only apply when new work is done. (I think the new standards kick in when a certain amount of paved surface is added. So if you re-pave an existing highway, you don't have to upgrade the drainage. If you add a lane, you might have to.)
I'd guess your local Wal-Mart was built recently (within the last 25 years or so). It's just not affordable to go back and fix a hundred years' worth of infrastructure, but new stuff will be built to the new standards.
For trout streams, oil and sediment are the least of it. Trout are sensitive to temperature, so you also have to make sure warm water (heated by flowing over the pavement) doesn't hit the stream until it's had time to cool. Road salt is also an issue.
New construction will deal with runoff by using retention ponds, having the water run over grass to slow and absorb it, and stuff like that. You may also see roads in sensitive areas with signs warning that no salt is used in winter, so drive appropriately.
I remember seeing a yellow fish symbol being painted on the road beside storm drains on Vancouver Island. I think it was a high-school group that did it
These Guys Can Make Your iPhone Last Forever
Behind the scenes at iFixit, where DIY repair is more than just a business.
Cool! If I have one skill, it would seem to be in fixing things. Nice to know that this activity is subversive and that by repairing things I'm striking a blow against the system! The only problem is that I no longer see the value in such things as smart phones, even though I do have one (at my family's request). I'll do that work when I must, but I'm far more interested in making axe handles, and the correct way to sharpen and axe or a crosscut saw, or straightening the blade of an old scythe and putting it back into service, etc. When ever I fix something I think about the cash I didn't have to spend and the energy that didn't have to be used to make a replacement.
Reduce > Reuse > Repair > Recycle
'Canada Is Being Outplayed' at Oil Wealth Game
But we can win says economist Robyn Allan. Last in a series on Norway's petro-policies and lessons here.
Pipeline Whistleblower: Cracks in The System
Insider ties poor weld inspections to rising rate of ruptures. Part two of a Tyee investigation.
By Andrew Nikiforuk
Northern Gateway: A Pipeline Without a Seatbelt
A pipeline engineer's warning about rupture risks facing Enbridge's project as currently planned.
By Evan Vokes
The plot of "The China Syndrome". A cover-up of non-destructive examination in a nuclear power plant.
All our sisters and daughters should watch this speech...
Australian PM Rips into Opposition in Parliament for Sexism
Video: Gillard labels Abbott a misogynist
After watching that speech, you can get a sense of how Gillard was able to get a "price on carbon emissions" passed in Australia. Barn-burner is the word for it.
Thanks for posting this.
Really brings home what mealymouthed scumbucketry is passed off as "being a politician" in the majority of the West these days.
To say the PM was provoked is putting it mildly, and theres strange eddies from superficially unrelated recent events like the Meagher murder in Melbourne and Alan Jones' defenestration. But full credit to her, if she hasn't just won next years 'unwinnable' election she has at least put Labour back in the race.
This minority Labour govt (with Green & rural Independants backing) has passed an amazing amount of modestly progressive legislation, but since the commercial media only broadcast right-think talking points, nobody knows.
Oh, lordy. I was just browsing the Just Ordered section at my local library website, and there sat this, right out there for all the world to see how- ahem- misinformed the local populace is:
Just... oh, brother!... I can't even begin to find words... I am speechless.
Well, it is German. And it was used in WWII. But not Nazi. And not secret, since they had a US patent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process
"Since the invention of the original process by Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch, working at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institut for Chemistry in the 1920s, many refinements and adjustments have been made. The term "Fischer–Tropsch" now applies to a wide variety of similar processes (Fischer–Tropsch synthesis or Fischer–Tropsch chemistry). Fischer and Tropsch filed a number of patents, e.g., U.S. Patent 1,746,464, applied 1926, published 1930.[9] It was commercialized by Brabag in Germany in 1936. Being petroleum-poor but coal-rich, Germany used the Fischer–Tropsch process during World War II to produce ersatz fuels. Fischer–Tropsch production accounted for an estimated 9% of German war production of fuels and 25% of the automobile fuel.[10]"
Yes, major eye-rolling is indicated.
Jerome Corsi . . . you may remember him from such right-wing conspiracies such as the Birther movement, SwiftBoat Vets, 9/11 Truthers, the North American Union, and most recently . . . Obama is gay!
What the heck was Rommel driving around Tunisia for - sand?
Rommels job was to prevent a defeat of the Italian forces and to stabilize the southern flank, not more, i.e. oil was not an factor, he came to a somewhat different/creative interpretation of his orders, as a "holding" operation in Tunesia was not possible without natural lines of defense -the next was (surprise, surprise) in Egypt around El Alamein. :-)
Africa had no high priority for the Wehrmacht, it was only a minor theatre of war for the Germans, while it was a major for the UK, therefore, the very different importance in modern literature and movies.
Rommel was basically just trying to bail the Italians out in North Africa, there was not a lot of oil production there at the time. Italy was more a liability than an asset to Germany in WWII.
Hitler quite badly underestimated the importance of oil to his war machine. If he had been more rational he would have moved to seize the oil fields of the Caucasus and completely bypassed Stalingrad. However, it was a matter of pride for him to seize the city with Stalin's name on it, and the result was the complete anhiliation of the German 6th Army.
I've got C-span on, (6am Thurs), and Jamie Dimon speaking to Council Foreign Relations.. is radiating glowy wads of free-market hope-goo to his acolytes about what greatness we could achieve with this country if we just got rid of the 'wet regulatory blanket' that's holding us down! (He said Shale oil is God's way of giving us one more shot to screw up if we're too stupid..)
True Believer. The Angels weep..
God gave us dominion over the sheeple. We cannot allow a single one to go unsheared. /sarc
Request for Information (RFI) - Grand Challenges of the 21st Century
Also, more at What are grand technology and scientific challenges for the 21st century?
*raising hand* Finding and inhabiting an additional earthlike planet. No sarcasm or humor. Truly my wish as a grand challenge.
New Tool Makes Saving Electricity Easier
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/10/new-tool-ma...
Is this really useful to people? I'm not sure what I can gain from knowing my current usage rate. And if I was really curious, I could just look at the meter. It seems to me that without finer granularity such as which branch circuits are using power or specific items, it is just pretty vague information that doesn't help much.
I've been looking at a couple of systems for the past year. The systems that allow you to monitor each circuit are somewhat pricier than I can justify right now.
The eMonitor sold by http://www.energycircle.com/shop/electricity-monitors
sounds like a good system but, in addition to a pretty steep price, you have to pay a yearly subscription to use their data service. I talked to a salesperson at energy circle and they said you can't really buy this system and do your own software, which ties you to their subscription service.
The Brultech http://www.brultech.com/products/ECM1240/software/checkit.htm people
appear to be more flexible about selling the hardware without binding you to them with a subscription contract. I've been waiting for their new GEM system which can use a server they will be marketing.
Good luck finding a system.
TOD used to discuss how to learn and monitor electricity consumption a lot.
I think for most people, purchasing a Kill-a-watt meter (currently as inexpensive as about US$20) is a very easy way for people to learn the energy consumption for their appliances.
Well, I don't know how useful it really is. You just find out that the majority of your energy goes to devices that heat water, since water has such a high heat capacity. So you find out your dryer and your water heater are the biggest offenders, or if those are not electric then it's something else, but regardless - what next? How much do you spend, or how big a change in lifestyle do you accept, to fix the problem? Will you switch to a clothes line? In other words, I think the problem is less one of knowing what is drawing the most power than it is of being willing and able to make significant changes.
A power monitor can be a very useful tool. A lot of us think that our refrigerators are amongst the most power hungry appliances in our home. As it turns out, if your refrigerator is less than ten years old there's a good chance that your satellite receiver or cable box uses more energy. An XBOX 360 or Playstation 3 left idling can reportedly consume upwards of 180-watts; that's more than four times the amount of energy used by our refrigerator. Would most home owners know this without the aid of a power monitor? Probably not.
Cheers,
Paul
I get that, although simply reading the power draw on the label will give you a good enough measure. The issue is in doing something useful once you have that knowledge. I'll use my own scenario as an example - my wife and I have been having a running dispute about where to put the clothes line I bought the parts for, for maybe 2 years now. In spite of my cajoling and the knowledge of how much it's costing us and the environmental issues, she just doesn't want it and won't accept it, even though I could mount it so that it comes right to the window next to the washing machine.
So I instrumented my entire panel, but the little new I learned was information about much smaller loads while the two major power users go unaddressed - one because my wife finds it unacceptable, and the other because I haven't been able to spare the time and/or funds to work on a solar hot water pre-heater.
You can pretty much tell everyone that the major energy uses in their homes are heat, A/C, water heating and clothes drying. Once you've made major changes to reduce those then get a meter to measure the rest. And until then, stick your hand on it and if it feels like it's pumping out a lot of heat (Playstation, plasma TV, etc.) then it's using too much power.
I disagree. The label on a Playstation or satellite receiver may tell us that it uses x-number of watts or amps*, but most of us would reasonably assume that's whilst the device is in active use. One might take for granted that these devices use far less energy when turned off or at idle. Whether they're turned on or off, our StarChoice receivers use the same amount of energy; if I recall correctly, the difference is exactly one watt. Joe consumer may or may not do anything armed with this knowledge, but our satellite receivers, DVD players, Betamaxes and the like are all plugged into power bars and/or countdown timers (http://www.belkin.com/us/F7C009-Belkin/p/P-F7C009;jsessionid=2B7FD8D082A...) and I make a point of switching off these power bars as soon as I'm done.
Cheers,
Paul
* Good luck finding someone who knows that amps x volts = watts (present company excluded). BTW, the nameplate on our Bosch front loader claims that it uses 10 amps which translates to 1,200-watts at 120-volts, but my power monitor tells me that it uses an average of 150-watts or 1/8th that.
Most people detune at watts and become comatose at the mention of watt hours or joules. $20 is cheap for the education that comes from a killawatt meter.
E.g. which uses more energy, your 1500 watt toaster that runs for one minute a day when you are home, or your television that is turned off while you are away for the day?
It ain't the toaster, by an order of magnitude.
Very true and that's why these power monitors are so valuable. We assume that much of this is downright obvious, but I interact with a good cross-section of the public and even I'm taken back by the general lack of knowledge. On more than one occasion when I've been discussing lighting with a client I'll mention "CFL" and the response is "What's a CFL?". And I'll reply something along the lines of "Oh, sorry, that's just shorthand for compact fluorescent", to which the next question might very well be "What's compact fluorescent?". Eventually, we get to "Oh, you mean one of those twisty-twirly things". You sometimes wonder where folks have been for the past twenty-five years, but it is what it is.
Cheers,
Paul
I find even those that both Know AND Care have to do some contortions to be able to make the leaps needed.
Both the guy who sold me the Geyser, and the guy who worked on my furnace telling me how quick my payback would be to get over to NG both also admitted that they were still waiting to make the leap off oil themselves.. to their own astonishment.
I think the monitors are a great piece to have as intrinsic elements in the system just so you aren't keeping the energy flows unheard and unseen. A regular reminder of what you're expending in power keeps its ongoing activity active in your consciousness..
I showed the 'other' furnace maint. plumber my piles of parts today, as he worked on my other building's furnace. I was a bit anxious, and he was initially skeptical, but then describing his brother-in-law's very similar setup, which just used a lot more Solar, and 2000 gallons of storage, for ALL his heating needs, as opposed to my 250 gallon startup just for the DHW. So I'm looking forward to having some results to show.. one of these days. (The Kill-a-watt is sitting right here on the desk, ready to go over and join the Geyser, give us some relatively hard data!)
PS; Tech Question regarding Heat Pumps.. Who knows whether an air source heat pump will work more effectively/efficiently, with hot dry air, or hot humid air? It seems to me that the latent energy in the moisture would have the advantage, but does it make the HP do more work to get it through the phase-change, or is it the other way round?
THX!
Hey Bob,
I was getting ready to install our new Nyle and discovered that the dip tube that gets inserted into the tank is missing. I've got a call in to the company to see if they can send one out to me.
I also spoke with one of their technical support representatives and they're concerned by the fact that my SuperStor Ultra side arm is only 30 US gallons. Forty gallons is the minimum size recommended for this product and the worry is that the Geyser will end up short cycling, resulting in added wear and tear and less than optimal performance. I told the technician that I'll put it on a timer so that it only runs once a day for perhaps two or two and a half hours in the morning. That should give it plenty of time to recharge the tank and we'll simply coast through the remainder of the day. We use so little hot water that 30 gallons should be more than enough to meet our needs.
We're currently standing at just under 9,000 kWh a year for spacing heating, DHW, all major appliances and plug loads and the Nyle could very well get us closer to the 8,000 mark -- that's less than 35.0 kWh/m2 for everything.
Cheers,
Paul
Paul,
If for any reason they can't get you that dip tube in short order, you are free to use mine to get things started up. My setup has the Geyser feeding with hoses straight in and out of an open tank, so I'd only need the dip tube for future situations, were I to reconfigure the equipment.
In any case, it's going to be interesting to compare notes on this gear.
Bob
Thanks, Bob, for your kind offer; much appreciated. With red face I have to confess that the dip tube did ship with the unit. I must have bumped it and, with that, it rolled off the table and lodged itself against the wall.
I've watched the installation video (http://vimeo.com/43626189) and will swing by Canadian Tire most likely tomorrow to pick-up the additional plumbing supplies. I hope to have it up and running on Sunday.
Looking forward to comparing our experiences. Given our modest hot water demands I don't expect a huge cost savings, but I'm OK with that. I'm more interested in chipping away at our total kWh usage and the production of DHW is the one remaining area where there's any real potential to pull those numbers down.
Cheers,
Paul
ps.. just tested the Diff Controller I built from Mr Cook's plans this morning. The motor spins, the LED's blink importantly. I think we're cleared for take-off!
http://www.solorb.com/elect/solarcirc/diftemp2/
(I have a couple other proto-boards with different controller circuits on them, in case of a flame-out)
Any of you EE's out there see anything questionable about this design, I'd love to hear about it.
Jokuhl,
I am using differntial controllers from http://www.arttecsolar.com/ to control three solar hot air heaters. Most solar hot air panels use snap switches that turn the fan on when the panel reaches 90F (or higher). It seemed silly to have a 80F panel and a 65F room and not try to gain something. The differential controllers now turn the fans on when the panel is 5F warmer then the room. These controls are made in Maine and are fairly priced.
I've looked at Guy Marsden's (ArtTekSolar) controllers as well.
I did the DIY so I could have a bit more opportunity to customize and understand the circuitry, and spend less out of pocket (tho' more in labor..). I actually made a very simple Thermostat switch, one sensor only, for my one hot air collector, and I look forward to making a handful more of them.. they'd be useful for sensing and control of quite a number of things.. feel free to use this circuit or mod it as you like.
http://s831.photobucket.com/albums/zz240/Ingto83/?action=view¤t=So...
It's not much, but it works.
b
Looks like a good circuit. I may try building one, wish he had a board.
Paul
The Geyser RO controller comes with 120F set point and 30F differential. I spoke with their technician about why the differential is so big and the response was to prevent short cycling. I now have it set with a 12F differential and see no signs of short cycling when used in a 40 gallon tank. Your plan to only run it for 2 1/2 hours a day should work fine. I have a kill-a watt meter on the Geyser and a water meter for DHW. The variable I haven't accounted for is the incoming water temperature - which varies daily as it is fed from a solar heated tank. I need to add temperature logging to determine how efficient the Geyser is.
Thanks, SJ, for the insight and advice. I'm surprised that the differential is so large given that heat pumps have much longer recovery times and could use a bit of a head start; 12 degrees seems more appropriate.
Regards,
Paul
The kill-a-watt is great for a technically minded person, it outputs in engineering units. Similar dumbed down products are available for the average person, and they output cost per hour (or day or month) -assuming some electric rate. Most people can grok $10 a month, but won't understand 130watts.
With AC its only power = amps times volts for a purely resistive load. Actually it is the time integral of amps times volts (either value and even the product can be negative). For a purely reactive load amps and volts are ninety degrees out of phase, and the net time averaged power consumption is zero. Most things with motors or power supplies are at least partly reactive. Average amps (actually the square root of the average of amps squared), is important for knowing how much the wiring will heat up (and whether circuit breakers will trip), but average amps time average volts gives an upper limit on power consumption.
Well yes, and having spent some 25 years designing AC power measurement equipment I'm aware of the issues and the meaning of the measurements. But as I wrote up-thread I can tell you what your main energy users are from a simple list, I don't need to read the tag at all. It's the old 80/20 thing, in that you can figure out the major energy uses with almost no effort or expenditure or measurements. Addressing those would provide such a huge improvement that the rest is gravy, but then most will regard those functions as essential. So they buy a Kill-O-Watt and go around measuring the size of the chihuahuas while ignoring the giant grizzly bear in the laundry room. Every little bit helps I suppose but one must keep the relative size in mind.
And the product label indicates the maximum VA or current it draws, so depending on what it is the typical draw may be much less. But then, if you feel it pumping out heat all the time, that means it's a fairly significant load. If it doesn't get warm then it's not something to focus on first.
One good one to turn off, as in at the breaker or cut off switch, is air conditioning. Air-cons in standby use a lot of electricity. Somebody offered me a cheap plasma TV the other day, said no before he finished the sentence. Also, some models of the Kill-a-Watt have a peak reading capability, useful when checking things that have motors.
NAOM
Twilight, I'm very interested in the specific parts you purchased for your future theoretical clothesline (good luck!) and where you found them. Is it a pulley type? I'm planning on installing a pulley clothesline and would appreciate your input.
I got a metal pulley style in one of the clothesline kits from lehmans.com. It looks quite nice.
The Convenient, Sturdy Outdoor Clothesline
Be sure to check the image gallery from page 1. I plan to add springs to my pulleys; keeps things tight and allows for expansion/contraction of long cables. The ratchet springs used for high-tensile electric fences should work well.
Also, for all things 'clothesline': http://www.breezedryer.com/... and check out their folding outdoor/wall mount racks for urban use.
So when you wash the clothes where do you hang them to dry? Do you use a portable rack that keeps the undies out of view of the neighbors and can be folded away when not in use?
My point is that your wife might be open to the idea of line drying if you were the one doing it, and you did it in an elegant way.... as long as you make sure to hang things in such a way that they don't get all misshapen.
Clothes that come out of a HE washer are mostly dry. You can hang undies and socks around the edge of a clothes basket and keep them inside or get a small rack for such items. I don't separate clothes so the load may have a towel, a couple pairs of pants, and some shirts. The shirts go directly on hangars and the pants hang by their legs on the line to prevent wrinkling. I usually buy my shirts from Goodwill and I look to see how much they wrinkle when shopping. Clothes can dry outside in the winter but I hang most stuff in the basement when it stays below freezing.
It's also possible to compromise: line dry most of the way, then a brief spin in the dryer to fluff the clothes/get out the wrinkles. Or the dryer first, to speed drying time.
We live in the middle of nowhere, and no one sees into our yard. She does not want it anywhere near the house, which would be the most convenient, and if it is too far away it will be another reason not to use it.
I have no problem doing my own laundry - while our roles may appear to follow the traditional man/wife US stereotype, I do not view things that way at all. I'm all grown up and can do my own chores.
At some point I will simply sink the posts in and that will be that. The cost savings will win her over.
Most of that you can't determine from the Kill-a-watt meter, which only works for 120volt AC outlets. Stuff that isn't wired in that way, which includes stuff like washers and dryers, the fan for my furnace, central air, many light fixtures, just isn't available to plug it into.
But, once you know, you can (or not) make minor changes. Oh the dryer uses a LOT, maybe we can wait a bit longer between loads, or get a spin dryer so there is much less water to evaporate. There are lots of things that can reduce the need for these appliances, without eliminating it entirely.
I suspect you, like most people on this list have a pretty good idea where your juice is going already, and aren't intimidated by going out and reading the meter. This stuff is mostly for the next teir down in terms of understanding how things work. So it might be useful to those who have no clue that for instance an electric dryer draws several kilowatts, and a cell phone charge under 1watt...
We just had an eGauge installed.
http://www.egauge.net/
It really provides a lot of detail. I am an EE, have a Kill-a-Watt, know how to read a meter. But the biggest loads (stove, HVAC, car charger, water heater (electric backup of solar)) aren't covered by a Kill-a-Watt. The eGauge lets you see where the electricity is really going, how it varies with seasons, etc.
Do you mind saying what it cost you?
I got it (actually two of them) free, as part of a research study by the Pecan Street Project in Austin.
It provides amazing detail. I can sit in my office and tell when my wife turns on an applicance at home (and which one). Spikes when the A/C comes on, notches in the solar generation graph when a cloud passes over. Tons of downloadable data.
I want this. I'm an EE too and always frustrated that can't use my kill-a-watt on major appliances. I've actually resorted to borrowing my Dranetz PX5 from work and logging data on it. Just watched the egauge youtube video and it looks really easy to install and configure. Unless it's like $1000 to buy, I might place an order this weekend.
Close. https://www.egauge.net/eos/
Oh come now - as one EE to another, what will you learn that your training doesn't already tell you? Giant resistive loads with a large duty factor swamp all the small and intermittent loads by such a large amount that they may as well not exist. Spend the time and money working on reducing those rather than satisfying your desire for gadgetry!
One thing I've already learned is that there is 300 watts drawn in the middle of the night, more than I expected. So now I'm going to be motivated to track it down and see where it is going.
If you have central air, check for a sump heater.
Thanks. It's not A/C; there is a separate readout for that.
This is what I want to know. All my heat tasks are gas. I have my entertainment centers on power-strips that are turned off so they should draw nothing. So it is just the fridge, a few motion-sensored lights, and a cable-modem/WiFi thing, a clock/radio, and clocks on the microwave/stove/etc. Other than the fridge, those should be pretty small loads.
I do have some sump pumps that are idle most of the time (except when it rains) . . . those should not be drawing anything since they are operated by floater switches.
Maybe I just need to replace the fridge.
Air conditioning on standby? Just a thought, I turn mine off at the breaker when not in use - big difference.
NAOM
Dranetz - yum! Found a few problems by using those.
Nightmare Nuclear Waste
Is anyone familiar with this film, and/or the issues surrounding it? I am also concerned about the earlier (late 1960's and maybe later) sea dumpings of barrels of nuclear waste: The barrels have since corroded and/or are continuing to corrode and there seems to be a real threat of the waste (plutonium and/or ?) going up the food chain, despite the depth of the dump.
From above:
Chavez Election Victory Signals Accelerated Socialist Revolution
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-08/chavez-declared-winner-over-cap...
"...have driven away investors, according to analysts at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the Eurasia Group and Bank of America Corp."
How much better off would the American public be if they could have driven off the criminal organizations Goldman Sachs, Citi Group, and B of A?
For Some Drivers, an Electric Motorcycle Could Be the Best of Both Worlds
I'm an advocate of EVs but I can't see myself driving an electric bike. People always say how they 'never saw the motorcycle' . . . well now you won't hear it either. The EV bikes are real nice . . . but I'd have to guess that they are even more dangerous than gas bikes due to the stealth factor.
They'd make great vehicles for quiet military assaults though.
UK's winter gas at risk from shaky Norway exports
http://www.xe.com/news/2012/10/11/2985521.htm?c=1&t=
The large Ormen Lange field while only a few years into its life, does look like a challenging maintenance project:
http://www.statoil.com/en/ouroperations/explorationprod/partneroperatedf...
The inability or unwillingness of Centrica to neg a long term LNG contract with the Qatari's may come back to haunt the UK some day.
The next round of domestic natural gas price rises has begun. 8% on my bill.
The UK government has just announced a policy of building another 20 NG power stations on the basis that our coal and nuclear stations are at end of life and we have left it too late to build anything else before the lights go out...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19912951
The US natural gas (NG) price, currently at about $3.50 per MMBTU, has almost doubled from the low price this spring, as the huge surplus of NG in storage has declined, relative to average levels.
I don't think that the US NG production supply base has ever had such a high underlying decline rate (given the reliance on shale gas plays), and a key question, as Art Berman has long pointed out, is that once the shale gas players have slowed their drilling, which they have now done, will the industry be able to catch up with the high decline rates, once drilling activity picks up again?
Some controversy stirring over oil price benchmarks:
Total attacks agency's pricing of oil
Antarctic ice at record high levels
(just weeks after the Arctic Ocean hit a new low)
Jupp. The trend has been for several years: forsome reason, as the land is thins, the sea ice grows (wintertime). This stuff is complicated.
Here is what the Archdruid has to say on the matter over at TAR:
"when a continental glacier is beginning to break up, one of the first things that happens is that a lot of glacial ice ends up flowing out onto the nearest ocean"
Well yes. Has to do with changes in the circumpolar winds. Of course landice volume, which is what matters for sea level is going down faster and faster both north and south.
Experts: Global warming means more Antarctic ice
Opposite but unequal: Record high Antarctic sea ice versus record low Arctic sea ice
Antarctic sea ice reaches greatest extent so late in season, 2nd largest extent on record
Antarctic maximum = 2.1 SD above mean (a 1 in 30 chance)
Arctic Minimum = 5.5 SD below mean (a 1 in 180,000 chance)
Compare extant, area, and volume
This whole Antarctic maximum thing is totally misleading. Looking at a bar graph of years, it is like trying to tell which fencepost is taller in a home-made fence.
http://anthonyvioli.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/seaice_area_antarctic1.png
If it wasn't marked in red, would you even really notice?
Thanks KD, thats what I was looking for.
It's complicated. Sea ice may be covering a wider area, but ice shelves in West Antarctica are shrinking. Sea ice forming and melting doesn't materially affect sea level. Ice shelves breaking up allow ice streams from the West Antarctic ice sheet to flow faster, thinning out the ice sheet and raising the sea level.
West Antarctic Ice Sheet may be on “the brink of change
The Register tried to claim that a recent study showed there was no loss from ice shelves, but the scientists who conducted the study say The Register got it wrong.
Scientists respond to the Register on Antarctic ice shelf melt: ‘This is the equivalent of turning the statement “the cancer is not as bad as we thought” into “you don't have cancer”.’
Todays XKCD is a good parallell to much of the renewable energy model.
http://xkcd.com/1119/
Always a good site to follow.
http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/wpsrsummary.pdf
Possibility of Northeast winter heating oil shortage looms; East & West Coast Gasoline Supplies Still at or near historical low points
While record high retail gasoline prices have gotten all the attention lately, the possibility of a winter heating oil shortage in the Northeast US is increasing. While overall and regional supplies of distillates, like heating oil and diesel, are not yet near their low points, seasonally adjusted they are relatively low already. From about late August through November, distillate supplies typically fall, especially in the Northeast US where heating oil is used to warm many residential residences in the winter months. At the present rate of decline, supplies may be pushed low enough to result in historically high retail fuel prices - if not an actual commercial shortage.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/us-heatingoil-spike-idUSBRE899...
The US does have a Northeast heating oil reserve, of 1 million barrels of ultra low sulfur heating oil, and it is possible that it will be 'tapped' when real shortages are imminent. The inventories of heating oil in the reserve are not counted in the EIA's weekly inventory report we discuss here.
http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/heatingoil/
One possible reason for the lower national supplies of distillates is increased exports of diesel and similar products, mostly to Latin American countries. Exports of all oil products year to date are about 571,000 bpd higher than last year. While the EIA does not publish weekly figures on distillate exports, altogether the US will export about 200,000,000 barrels more of oil products more in 2012 than in 2011. This is a huge amount in total, which is likely a significant cause of lower distillate and gasoline supplies.
Meanwhile recent wholesale gasoline price 'superspikes' last week were reflective of historically low inventories of gasoline - although in the last few days the price superspike has receded. It's seems quite likely that high retail prices are discouraging demand, as the amount of gasoline distributed by refiners and distributors has declined further over recent weeks, and may be about 3% less than last year. In late summer, it appeared that demand may have finally caught up to last's years levels, but the price spike had an immediate effect of reducing demand. Alternatively, the Amtrak rail system for example, is reporting high use of its railways by individuals.
Usually in times of low East coast supplies, gasoline imports from Europe increase. But in recent weeks, they have not increased much as might be expected with Europe has its own refinery problems, and also, other countries around the world have increased their demand for oil products from Europe.
"Possibility of Northeast winter heating oil shortage looms"
I hope last year's mild winter didn't get people too complacent. They're going to get double dumped this winter if forecasts are correct:
Chilly Winter Forecast Means Higher Heating Bills For Consumers:
...got caulk?
Locally, fuel oil is selling for $1.056 a litre or $4.00 per US gallon, a 4.6 per cent increase over this same time last year. Depending upon the efficiency of your boiler, this is the equivalent of electric resistance heat priced at between 12 and 15-cents per kWh; by comparison, NSP's off-peak rate is 6.468-cents per kWh, which explains why many new home owners in this province are opting for electric thermal storage heating systems. Of course, NSP's off-peak rate combined with an ultra high efficiency air source heat pump will get you down to as little as 1.8-cents per kWh(e), or the equivalent of fuel oil priced as low as 47-cents per gallon. It doesn't get much better than that.
Cheers,
Paul
"Locally, fuel oil is selling for $1.056 a litre or $4.00 per US gallon"
Eep!
Road-worthy and taxed diesel is $4.57. I think I'll go out and kiss the heat pump.
Daily Chart: Thirsty work
How long does it take to afford a beer?
Mando's chainless e-bike is headed for Europe in 2013 (w/ Video)
I can't help but wonder if this thing would really suck at climbing hills. You can't stand up on the pedals for that extra bit of torque. If the motor can't pull you up, I guess you have to walk it up the hill.
The assist on hills is exactly what an electric drive is good for, the battery providing the extra power. With a hub motor it's not hard to make continuous adjustments to the thumb or twist throttle to keep pedal effort constant. That can be automated with torque sensors as in the Bionx system, or "cruise control" can set a constant speed regardless of how hard you pedal, uphill or down.
However with a chain linkage the pedal rate will always be proportional to speed, so even with constant changes in gears you will often be deviating from your chosen sweet spot. Separating the generator from the motor solves that problem, with maybe a 20% overall loss of efficiency and 2x the cost compared to a single motor-generator.
Seems to me a chain rear wheel drive with pedal torque sensor coupled with a front wheel hub motor-generator could do the same thing, and cheaper too. You pedal at your own cadence and power and the controller figures out whether to charge or discharge the battery. The resulting sweet spot would still result in a constant speed, but IMHO that would be all to the good.
Dak. I am so glad to see TOD finally get around to something important- bike transmissions. What you say is also my own opinion arrived at after playing around with bike drives for a couple of decades. But for that drive to the back wheel-- I have cooked up a transmission that gets rid of the chain sliding between all those toothed things and replaces it with a drive that uses only tension members and flexures to get an infinitely variable ratio and perfect hyperbolic torque/speed relation.
So, you pedal at your own cadence, the rear wheel is driven at the speed that absorbs the power you are happy with regardless of road load, and the front wheel-motor-generator does what you say- and we have thus achieved bike transmission nirvana and can go on to the next one on the list of important widgets to be worked on.
PS, contrary to pessimistic prejudgements, this IVT has no theoretical losses and in the limit would have 100% efficient power transfer. And, almost forgot to mention, its speed ratio is zero to six.
Sweet Oil Flows to U.S. Will Dry Up by 2014-Total
... the fact that Nigeria will be past peak by 2017 probably has nothing to do with this. And Export Land Model will bite with a vengance if the internal civil war doesn't do it in first.
New from GAO ...
Unconventional Oil and Gas Development: Key Environmental and Public Health Requirements
Oil and Gas: Information on Shale Resources, Development, and Environmental and Public Health Risks
S – “EPA officials also said that the exclusion of exploration and production waste from hazardous waste regulations under RCRA significantly limits EPA’s role in regulating these wastes.” So what? The EPA and their regs aren’t even in the vocabulary of Texas or La. For all I know the EPA doesn’t have a single employee in Texas monitoring oil patch activity. In 37 years I’ve never filed a report nor had anything monitored by the EPA. The states of Texas and La. have much more stringent regs than the EPA and enforces them. If states want better regs…write them. They have all the authority to do so today.
“officials from several states and BLM said that retaining employees is difficult because qualified staff are frequently offered more money for private sector positions within the oil and gas industry.” That’s a weak excuse. Texas and La. both have very knowledgeable and experienced regulators…many coming from years of working in the oil patch. And neither state has a problem paying a salary to retain them: they cover all the expenses (and then some) with fees and production taxes collected from the oil patch. Remember: over the decades Texas and La. have collected $BILLIONS from the oil patch and PA has collected exactly $ZERO. As I’ve said before I’m getting more than a little tired of this whining from folks who have the power to fix the problem…today.
Shell's troubled Arctic Challenger barge gets go-ahead to work in Arctic
Glaciers cracking in the presence of carbon dioxide
... one of those 'black swan' thingees :-<
also Subglacial melt channels and fracture in the floating part of Pine Island Glacier, Antarctica
and UT Study: Critical Ice Shelf “Tearing apart at the seams”.
RE: Glaciers cracking in the presence of carbon dioxide
Interesting. It sounds like they are talking about CO2 dissolved in the ice? That would imply that only the uppermost ice (that portion which was deposited since the beginning of the industrial revolution) would be more susceptible to cracking. However, I suspect that once started, those cracks might propigate into older, deeper ice.
Certainly the composition of ice effects its properties. Seismic crews sometimes cross ice with heavy vibroseis units. Back in the day we used to even run seismic lines well out on the sea ice, to the point where the landfast ice met the moving sea ice. Now and then a vehicle would break through. I never heard of anyone dying, but GSI once lost a cat into the Beaufort Sea. It was conventional wisdom amoungst the drivers that fresh water ice was more dangerous than salt water ice. They claimed that sea ice would flex slightly before breaking, giving time to either back off, or bail out of the vehicle. They said fresh water ice was more brittle and prone to breaking suddenly, without warning. These vehicles always have an escape hatch in the roof of the cab!
Senators Contradict Oil Industry’s Challenge of SEC Rules
... and yet we are told repeatedly that the API has nothing to do with the oil industry and only innocently sets standards for product and pumps and such.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9551/922752
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9380/909220
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/44743/romneys-energy-pl...
Jack Gerard is a "longtime supporter" and family friend to Mitt Romney who also happens to be the top oil lobbyist in the country, as president of the oil lobby American Petroleum Institute. API has waged a multi-million-dollar campaign this election cycle to defeat Obama, in order to enact the oil industry’s wish list, and Gerard is even rumored to be on the list for chief-of-staff in a Romney administration.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/08/01/579101/jurassic-park-romneys...
Chimps Attack People After Habitat Loss
I think we should arm them properly.
Run-Off From Greenland May Weaken Carbon Sink
May explain why the majority of TODers are men ...
Negative News Stories Affect Women's Stress Levels but Not Men's
The Rideshare Explosion: Ending the Taxi Cab Monopoly
Palm Oil Massive Source of Carbon Dioxide
The spread between Brent Spot and WTI Spot closed today at $24.58. That is as wide as I have ever seen it.
Bloomberg Energy
Ron P.
Earth Sunblock Only Needed If Planet Warms Easily
Crack found in weld on western Pa. nuclear reactor
Report: Climate change behind rise in weather disasters
The Deepwater Horizon site has a large slick over it which is suspected to be coming from the bent riser pipe.
Man, New Orleans has its share and more of climate and oil industry wildness.
Azerbaijan threatens BP with 'serious measures' over oil revenue shortfall
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/9603038/Azerbaija...
Ron reported recently about the decline at the ACG complex, what they are seeing in production must really be worrying the govt now, they are getting pretty aggro.