Luis - just for the sake of absolute clarity. The new well has not yet reached the target reservoir and this claim of 33 Gbs is total hype by a government official talking out of turn. Which just by chance has sent the shares in BG Group, Repsol and Petrobras skywards today dragging the whole of the world oil equities market with them.

Brazil ANP head criticized over oil field estimate

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN1546638820080415?rpc=44

Damn right, and I said the same thing that Petrobras did over at Energy Bulletin.

I see my friend Art Berman did a World Oil Magazine column on this, so I'll have to take a look at it.

We can all expect the world to get crazier as the oil price rises.

-- Dave

Wasn't this well drilled down to a depth never achieved before? Weren't there technological hurdles to overcome to extract the oil? I'm just curious if anyone has a link or more information about this.

Brazil is fascinating enough in itself, but more fascinating to me is the whole South American offshore region and by extension the world oil production balance.

As Luis de Sousa says, "Tupi is possibly just the first of a series of fields that may compose an entirely new oil region enclosed in the Santos Basin. Hence new discoveries of significant volume in this area are likely."

The question is, what are we talking about when we say "significant volume" and big a series of new fields? Just the other day there was a link here on TOD to the possibility of sizable finds offshore Uruguay, finds offshore Argintina are now to be considered fully possible, and even the Falkland Islands has been mentioned.

Given world consumption today, it takes absolutely huge oil finds and development of said finds to have any real effect on oil markets. Could these finds make moot the idea of peak oil? Almost certainly not. But they could alter timing by some time, and create an interesting new balance of power in the oil producing group of nations.

The news just the other day that a Russian official had stated that Russia was for all practical purposes peaked would be a huge factor in rebalancing the power relationship. If Russia is indeed on the decline, while areas such as South America and West Africa are on the increase, it portends a major geopolitical shift in the world of oil production and petro power politics. Vladimir Putin had been getting pretty cocky about all the ways he hopes to use the petro weapon. Now, he and his successors may have to re-evaluate their options.

Of course, the wildcard is still Saudi Arabia. They have been very coy this time around, unlike the 1970's. They NEVER use the word, but they have been operating a defacto partial embargo for the last several years. But it is a cloaked embargo, and one that may not be intentional, if you accept the theory that KSA simply cannot raise production appreciably. Either way, the Saudi's do not have to "withhold " production to hold oil production flat, all they have to do is delay turning up investment. Either would have the same effect.

The question is, at what point will the confluence of events in the world have a real effect on the markets and break us out of the current paradigm, either to the upside on price or to the downside?

American and European oil consumption is beginning to flatten due to recession and a greater concern on the part of the auto buyer about fuel economy. Canada, West Africa, Brazil, and even the U.S. have the possibility of raising oil production, the U.S. very little, Canada some, Brazil and West Africa considerably more. But Mexico, the North Sea, and Russia seem to be at the top of possible production, at least for some time in the future, perhaps forever.

Saudi Arabia? Who can even guess. They may be at the top of possible production, or they may still have a considerable amount of oil up their sleeves to meter out as suits their needs. Do the Saudi's see the possibility of the non OPEC producers and new oil finds in South America and Africa combined with flat or declining American and European consumption being great enough to glut the market?

Or do the Saudi's feel that the developing nations, China and India, will more than swallow up any new production, and with declining production in Mexico, Russia and the North Sea it will make the possibility of glut improbable if not completely impossible? If so, how will OPEC react? Can they afford to "shoot the moon" on price, and not worry about competition or consuption restraint (conservation)? Or at some point, will they step in and stabilize oil markets? Even if they want to, can they?

So for my own benefit, in an attempt to clarify the unclarifiable, I draw a few conclusions:

(a) Once more I state my assessment that predicting peak oil down to the year or even to the decade is a statistical impossibility. The lack of information is too great and the variables too many. This does not mean peak oil is not a danger. Quite the contrary: It is all the more dangerous because of it's unpredictability, making it very difficult if not impossible to plan for.

(b) The implications of decisions made now, both on the production and consumption side, will take years, possiblly decades to play out. Huge sums of capital and long periods of time are required to change anything in the oil business, in fact in the energy business in general.

(c) Plans laid now based on current "facts" are an extreme risk. Planning for possible glut and price decline in the energy markets may seem foolish, but likewise planning for shortages, ever higher prices, and catastrophic collapse may turn out to be wasteful of years and money and look just as foolish a few years down the road. Once more we are reminded of the concept of "hedging". And we are not talking about the way that word has been abused recently (such as "hedge fund") but real hedging, i.e., being prepared to weather any eventuality as best as possible, "case hardening" economies, cultures and systems to sustain change in any direction.

(d) Other issues may well drawf concerns about oil depletion, and force action that will be completley unconnected to the depletion issue, but will have a major effect upon it. Carbon release is assured if we find large major new oil fields. Is there a point wherein we may begin to place a penelty on oil and coal use, not because they are in short supply, but because they are heavy carbon fuels?

(e)Lastly, and most controversially, I am more and more convinced each day that there will certainly be more than enough oil to transition to a new "renewable age". I am convinced that renewables and advanced efficiency technology is and has been smeared and slandered based on little or no use of real evidence. There is a large contigent who have a vested interest in seeing the renewables marginalized, and will use the tool of prospective peak oil as a tool to do it. The main reason we will not transition to a new renewable low carbon technology is not because there is not enough oil to do it. It is because we want to keep burning the oil that remains.

(e)Advice on how to cope: Think about, study, and teach your children about COMPLEXITY. If you yearn for the simple, primitive life, sadly, you were born into the wrong age.

RC

"Carioca, could contain 33 billion barrels of oil equivalent, five times the recent giant Tupi discovery."

reading this at face value, one would have to conclude that the 33 billion boe is oil in place. applying a guestimate of recoverable from this figure does not equate to "reserves" (by sec guidelines). technology to produce oil in 2000m of water hasnt been invented*.

tupi is in the same boat. bg has apparently refered to "reserve" estimates for tupi in press releases.

*total is producing in about 1300m water offshore west africa. as far as i know this is the greatest water depth of any producing offshore field.

Do we have any idea of the characteristics (light sweet, heavy) of the oil in this area?

The oil price is at 3 Yergins ($114 in the after-market electronic trading http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hpIPMOAtdA4A_2UzUinIQlcn9Rzw) and Russia appears to have peaked. Even if the find in Brazil were as big as was initially reported it will take years to develop I doubt they could get flow rates sufficient to compensate the Russian decline yet alone to keep up with the market demand.

According to Reuters:

"All the data were already in the public domain, having even been published in the February edition of World Oil magazine, in the 'What's new in exploration' column signed by Arthur Berman," the agency said in a statement.

How come it took approx. 10 weeks for somebody else to spot this 'breaking news'?

Luis,

FYI

There's a report in today's 'Jornal do Brasil' online stating that according to Petrobras it will take at least three months to calculate the volume of Carioca reserves. It also states that Director General Haroldo Lima denies that he ever announced the discovery of giant reserves. Hope nothing got lost in translation.

See here:

http://quest1.jb.com.br/editorias/economia/papel/2008/04/16/economia2008...

So let me ask a question to see if I am picking up this peak oil stuff.

Even if this Discovery (or others that are announced) has a HUGE amount of oil in it, the RATE of production that it may provide in terms of world oil production will not be materially enough for a long enough length of time to prevent or reduce the decline in world oil production or postpone the inevitable supply vs. demand problem that the world faces in the near future.

Am I getting it?

Statistically, there are between 200 and 250 GB of oil left^** to be discovered in the world. These finds are not unexpected.

Edit: ^** Not including the reserve growth on previous discoveries

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From Petrobas international site there is the suggestion that Tupi , Carioca , Santos are in fact part of a huge new province ,
they mention the fact that four out of four pre-salt wells came up positive , in itself this would suggest a really BIG find

amongst the questions

- 7000 m deep is staggering and offshore too !! congratulations on the teams this is brilliant drilling

- how much oil is in the very deep offshore ?, Brazil has mirror geological formations with the matching African coast

- The cost of developing such a find is going to require pockets as deep as the wells ,
20 billions for exploration-development before oil flow is a good starting figure
100 billions for full production a not unreasonable guesstimate

- I'm a believer of Peak oil but this raise some questions as to the Peak becoming a plateau

- this and other very deep find tend to put questions on the classical theory of oil formation ,
biotic debris in shallow sedimentary layers
did anyone saw the coffin cracking open of the old non-biotic theory ???

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